UFO's- Please help me process

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What? You don’t think it’s possible for there to be consensus among kooks?

Btw, your statements are very contradictory. Backing up suggestions by suggested facts is nothing but your personal speculation.

I see nothing contradictory about anything I've written. Perhaps, agnosticism only seems contradictory to a closed-mind. No doubt, it requires more cognitive discipline than you realize. Of course, this subject necessarily contains much personal speculation. What an odd observation to feel needs making. However, it's not pure speculation, as there is evidence to consider and judge, as well as logical deduction which can be applied, in order to place some rough form on the likelihoods being considered. As these can only be considered as likelihoods without hard proof. Hard proof would end any need for debate, anyhow.
 
Follow the link for the interview

Dr. Kevin Knuth – Relativistic Space Travel
Dr. Kevin Knuth is an Associate Professor in the Department of Physics at the University at Albany. He is a former NASA research scientist having worked for four years at Ames Research Center in the Intelligent Systems Division designing artificial intelligence algorithms for astrophysical data analysis.

On March 19th Dr. Knuth gave a presentation at the first Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference in Huntsville Alabama, sponsored by the Scientific Coalition for Ufology. I was there for the talk and knew immediately that he had to be on the show. Knuth’s paper, “Constraints on Societies Engaged in Relativistic Interstellar Travel,” used current relativistic theory to examine the issues faced by a race if they achieve near-light-speed travel.

For anyone who can achieve this level of technology, Knuth says that many possibilities open up: At speeds approaching light, one could travel halfway across the galaxy in just about 110 days of experienced time on a ship, although, according to general relativity, the time experienced to those standing still would be so great that their civilization would have been dead for many thousands of years when upon return.

Knuth points out that, if a civilization became nomadic spacefarers, they would essentially live for millions of years in galactic time, but experience a normal lifespan of 60-70 years on their ships. We spoke about the implications of this scenario for the UFO subject. We also delved into the changing attitude of science toward UFOs and related subjects, and how this has changed with new discoveries about exoplanets and scientists who are beginning to look at data more than entrenched beliefs in a search for greater understanding.
 

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One more. Follow the link for the live interview

Massimo Teodorani – The Hyperspace of Consciousness
Dr. Massimo Teodorani is an astrophsyicist who uses his scientific expertise to examine issues of consciousness and its relation to the physical universe, as well as the implications of the observed properties of anomalous light phenomena (such as the Hessdalen lights) to the search for ways to create stable plasma states such as those found in fusion reactor research. He is involved in ongoing research about eruptive stars, extrasolar planets and SETI, and lectures regularly at the University of Bologna.

We spoke about his original deep interest in the UFO issue and how almost all the books he read on the subject were so useless to him that he burned them. He traveled to the Hessdalen Valley in Norway and observed the mysterious lights, discovering that they apparently exhibited complicated and evolving structures (one even assumed a rectangular shape.) He mentioned that some plasma phenomena seem to exhibit elements of conscious control, and that consciousness may be an element of structure in the observable universe. These issues are discussed at length in his (now sadly out of print) book The Hyperspace of Consciousness.
 
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It took at least 3.2 billion years on Earth and there is a lot that can happen to a planet in a few billion years.
Yeah, like colliding with another planet, destroying all lifeforms that existed, forming a moon and having to restart. :scratch2: If true, our advancement may have been reduced by half due to that restart. 🙁

and we are self-destructing .... !!! 😀
Do you mean we are prophesying self-destruction? I'm asking because we are still around.

Does that include evolving out of being our own worst enemy?
Who knows... :sigh:
 
I think it's silly to say we know one way or the other conclusively what is (or isn't) out there. It's fun to think about and wonder, but until incontrovertible proof pops up all we have are theories.

As an answer to the Fermi Paradox, the whole idea behind the Three Body Problem trilogy is quite interesting. Kind of put a damper on my wish for ET intelligence at the very least 😱

On the flip side, I always enjoy this TED talk:

Where are all the aliens? | Stephen Webb
 
Yeah, like colliding with another planet, destroying all lifeforms that existed, forming a moon and having to restart. :scratch2: If true, our advancement may have been reduced by half due to that restart. 🙁

If that did happen the evidence suggests it happened before there was any life on Earth around about 4.5 billion years ago.
No need for a restart from scratch, if anything it may have created conditions making life possible to evolve.
 
I think it's silly to say we know one way or the other conclusively what is (or isn't) out there. It's fun to think about and wonder, but until incontrovertible proof pops up all we have are theories.

As an answer to the Fermi Paradox, the whole idea behind the Three Body Problem trilogy is quite interesting. Kind of put a damper on my wish for ET intelligence at the very least 😱

On the flip side, I always enjoy this TED talk:

Where are all th e aliens? | Stephen Webb
Excellent narrative.


Oh oh, YIKES! :yikes: No way a regular human can do that without reading from a script!



WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED! 😱
 
Excellent narrative.


Oh oh, YIKES! :yikes: No way a regular human can do that without reading from a script!


Umm...what? What are you talking about? I honestly have no idea.


WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED! 😱


How about *any* proof. Like contact from another civilization in some form or another. An ET space probe. Even some sort of non-naturally occurring signal.
 
That's not the only way though. If you have the technology to warp space-time, you can travel at great distant without experiencing time-dilation. So basically you can still go back to your family once you finish your journey.

I listened this program frequently a few years back when there was regular new episodes and I had a lot of work to do in the garage. The three I linked to were my favorites that are relevant to the topic at hand. That said, I have a hard time recalling the specifics that impressed me the most about each episode. The one on retro-causality (w/ Eric Wargo) is a mind-bending take on possible repercussions of us living in a “block universe” (aka eternalism) but it’s too off topic to link here.
 
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If that did happen the evidence suggests it happened before there was any life on Earth around about 4.5 billion years ago.
No need for a restart from scratch, if anything it may have created conditions making life possible to evolve.
4.5 billion years is earth's total age. Our sun is said to be about 4.6 billion years old. If the collision we are discussing happened, it would have been after earth (and that mystery planet) formed.
 
I remember watching a programme that laid out logically why we would be an ideal food source for a more advanced species.
But with all the crap we eat and pollute our bodies with(junk food, alcohol, cigarettes, drugs and medication, bad air, asbestos and other environmental contaminants and don't forget fluoride). Somehow I would think that would be a deterrent. After all, you are what you eat. In the bible concerning the rapture, doesn't it say 133,000 will be plucked and go straight to heaven where the Lord has prepared a feast, or something to that effect? Guess what's on the menu.
 
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