I read the eg, von Daniken and Klass books years ago, and for me there really doesn't appear to be anything new and significant. Back then it was the Pentagon's "Project Blue Book" so I just await the "revised & expanded edition."
Is there ? Until they land, get out and say "Yo mofo, take me to your leader" we're pretty much kicking the can back and forth going nowhere.
Really? You have no interest in watching a crash course documentary on the subject just for the sake of conversation?
Agnosticism, in an informal sense, is unrelated to religion and can be applied to this topic.
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Will see who'll get the last laugh. Hope this thread will be kept alive until the truth is known.
Von Daniken’s book came out in 1969, the same year the Condon Committee provided the pretense to shut down the PR effort that was Project Blue Book. Shortly after that, Project Blue Book consultant Allen Hynek released The UFO Experience which was a bit of a reversal of his former role as debunker. Around the same time, Jacques Vallee released Passport to Magonia where he basically abandoned the ET hypothesis and suggested the Inter-Dimensional Hypothesis as being more viable. His contention was that there was too many UFO visitations for a hypothetically advanced race merely surveying the planet.
What I do know is that I'll keep an open mind. Believe something without questioning either way is probably not good.
The only way to know the truth is, as mentioned above, the green spiders or whatever landing and talking to us, even if to ask how many parsecs to the next Service Station or which way to Andromeda.
Until then, it´s only babble and speculation with NO base.
Or to be more precise, the ONLY thing that has been PROVEN so far is that they don´t exist.
Glad to retract, IF and only IF they appear, not one second earlier.
No, lights in the sky and fuzzy pictures do not count.
Neither "witnesses" 🙄
"His contention was that there was too many UFO visitations for a hypothetically advanced race merely surveying the planet."
The problem for me is that his contention is based on an unverified conclusion.
At least the way it's phrased here.
Hynek. That's a name I haven't seen in ages. I think back then he was known as "J. Allen"?
The problem for me is that his contention is based on an unverified conclusion.
At least the way it's phrased here.
Hynek. That's a name I haven't seen in ages. I think back then he was known as "J. Allen"?
Yeah it’s a paraphrase off the top of my head.
He felt the phenomenon is part of a “control system” that’s been with mankind for millennia, possibly visiting from a dimension existing alongside our own here on earth.
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So now you try to explain the unverified presence of Aliens by adding and even further less verified hypothesis about unknown dimensions.
Me? No, Jacques Vallee. And I don’t see how they’re necessarily aliens (ie extraterrestrial), the theory is interdimensional (possibly) earthly cohabitants. Vallee was talking about this before string theory was around positing the existence of multiple dimensions. The hypothesis is there to accept or reject but Vallee has an impressive pedigree (french astronomer, internet pioneer, venture capitalist), so he’s far from a raving lunatic IMO.
Vallee:
I’m just forwarding it for the sake of discussion.
Vallee:
I’m just forwarding it for the sake of discussion.
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forget the earth survey hypothesis, think ‘tourism’ instead, a chance to go to the intergalactic zoo, and we’re the monkeys on the inside...
Couldn´t care less about such "pedigree" IF he says 2+2=5 which sadly is the case.
The "Authority" fallacy does not work too well here, doubly so if the purported "authority" is so flakey.
"Investment Banker" indeed!!!!
Call him "Highway robber" and maybe I would grant him some respect, at least those guys risk limb and life in their "job".
As of your borrowed "explanation", I trust 1000000000000000000 times more the "green spiders coming from the other end of the Universe" theory (hint: we are talking about Space that exists, even if incommensurably large) than non existing "dimensions", even less that nonsense about "parallel Worlds"
It’s absolutely fine if you think it’s preposterous but don’t bother with the fallacy trainspotting if you can’t resist committing ad hominem against the man.
Vallee’s currently working with Prof. Garry Nolan of Stanford in a massive project gathering alleged “UFO debris” and putting it under lab analysis. The findings are being written up and submitted for peer review as we speak.
You can get a sneak preview of their work in the recently released documentary film The Phenomenon. There’s also a slide presentation of their work that you can see here.
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