The real question is why now? It seems the phenomenon have been around for a long time. Why is the government, through the military, putting this stuff out now, and why so much quantity? First it’s no information and apparent suppression for decades, then it’s excited fighter pilots talking about what they are seeing, and the associated video, released by the government. There is no chance that this has happened coincidently, haphazardly or without a purpose in mind. The real question is why, and along with it, why now?
All decent questions tizman.
And without going political, here's my suggestion.....
To keep the people focused, much like how the cellphone boom and endless "useful" APPS have done.
Look at the past several years and it's likely to ring a bell for you.
Keeping the people busy, keeping them occupied with one dramatic story after another.
While things happen in the background.
There's a Roswell related story (who knows what percentage of it is myth, perhaps, 100%) about how one of the town folk who had reason to see the alien bodies, maybe the town undertaker, or something, was having a drink at a town bar one night. Just a few days after the crash. By then, the Air Force had already announced the recovery of a flying disc, and rumors of dead alien pilots had spread around town.
Well, some other town locals were also in the bar at that time, and started to tease the man who had actually seen alien bodies, by joking about their supposed existence. The man having the drink decides to leave the bar, rather than continue to be teased about what he knew to be true but could not acknowledge. On his way out of the bar, one of the jokers asks him about whether the Air Force had found any "little green men". He pauses, looks over his shoulder, and says back, "they ain't green".
I always find that story/myth creepy.
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Well Ken...
naturally, all sorts of "projections" and conclusions are common among us humanoids.
So of course being "picked on" is a common thing, and since no concrete evidence among us is available, sure we'll joke around and amuse ourselves.
The green men thing is one of them.... who knows what color they are.
So is the huge oval eyes thing.
We need real, positive, and factual proof, and until then it's all just fun and speculation.
naturally, all sorts of "projections" and conclusions are common among us humanoids.
So of course being "picked on" is a common thing, and since no concrete evidence among us is available, sure we'll joke around and amuse ourselves.
The green men thing is one of them.... who knows what color they are.
So is the huge oval eyes thing.
We need real, positive, and factual proof, and until then it's all just fun and speculation.
Ken, that to me sounds more like a script treatment for yet again another CW network sci-fi series.
I think the answer to that is the understanding of new physics that would make the sightings not seem so outlandish. Before now it was just too outlandish and impossible seeming for most people to take in. There is a better understanding now. I'm not saying any government on Earth has mastered it or reproduced the technology, (probably not but I really don't know), but I think there is now understanding that since the physics allows it eventually it will happen here on Earth by humans.
Can you imagine the repercussions if the technology was kept top secret until the first nation that developed it sprung it upon the world? There would be a real danger of that country using it for delivery of weapons against so called enemies. I think the biggest danger would be of our using them against other humans. People can be power craven and do horrible things to other people if there are no physical repercussions. Think about the use of nuclear weapons with first strike capability and no defense against it. I think there is a consensus that we have to develop a better philosophy than survival of the fittest against other people that do not possess the same technology. Without that we really would be like warring Chimpanzees.
I think it should be some comfort, and perhaps bring some hope, that if this technology exists whoever possesses is at a huge potential advantage to humans yet have never tried to use it against us militarily. So even if you think there has been no documentation of unclassified communications between us and them I think it can be accepted that there has been a much more subtle communication. They are setting an example for us that might does not make right.
My personal opinion.
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exeric: We have spent more than a hundred years with the absolute certainty that we didn’t have the full picture when it comes to physics. Our lack of understanding about something doesn’t make that thing impossible. It’s not a good excuse.
Disruptive technology is most disruptive to those who benefit most from the maintenance of the status quo. Who’s going to be the most upset about a new free energy source? The people now paying for energy can handle it. The people selling them energy can’t.
Disruptive technology is most disruptive to those who benefit most from the maintenance of the status quo. Who’s going to be the most upset about a new free energy source? The people now paying for energy can handle it. The people selling them energy can’t.
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I suspect that UFU technology was developed by school kids during a science project and they haven’t sorted out what to do with it yet 😀
The sooner they turn up the better. Maybe they can settle the bun fight that is the Sound Quality Vs. Measurements thread.
Anyone remember reading about the Lonnie Zamora incident?
Lonnie Zamora incident - Wikipedia
They came in the night . . . They walk amongst us.
Lonnie Zamora incident - Wikipedia
They came in the night . . . They walk amongst us.
I used to believe in a huge zero point field too. I no longer do. It just doesn't agree with any physical evidence. Like a cooling and expanding universe. It's built on massive faulty thermodynamic assumptions. It doesn't have anything to do with what would provide the zip in UFOs if that's what you're thinking. Here's a good discussion of it that give a good background for thinking about it but doesn't tell the viewer what conclusion to come to. I think the evidence points to the fact that the towards the origin of the universe the energy density was near where what the ZPF was calculated to be. But that no long exists.
Dark Energy and the Vacuum Catastrophe - YouTube
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let's see .. 1/4 trillion stars of the 3rd generation with more heavy elements.
3rd gen. has 2-3% iron and up. Many similar planets , if only 1 in 10 stars has
a iron/nickle/silicon planet - we have 25 billion earth composite globes.
1 in 50 stars would not bake these planets. Half a billion that could have
atmospheres. Then .... too hot/cold ,cranky red sun (flares).
There should still be millions of life supporting planets.
Perhaps we are not "the one" advanced group , or not advanced at all.
. THEY probably are harnessing the central black hole's energy.
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Incident.
Yes. I've always been skeptical, however, due to the description of the vehicle taking off under power of what appears to be some sort of rockets? As well as the pilots wearing what sounds like clean mechanic uniforms. It has always sounded more like the classified work of humans, to me. I don't disbelieve that he saw what he says, but really don't know what to make of the Zamora incident.
Yes. I've always been skeptical, however, due to the description of the vehicle taking off under power of what appears to be some sort of rockets? As well as the pilots wearing what sounds like clean mechanic uniforms. It has always sounded more like the classified work of humans, to me. I don't disbelieve that he saw what he says, but really don't know what to make of the Zamora incident.
We can already measure beyond our hearing range. What good will it do for audio to measure even further beyond our hearing range?
An excellent question for the Sound Quality VS Measurements thread. You should head over and get some quality arguments on both sides. Also, many poor quality arguments...
I agree!
There is a thorough enjoyment of listening to music.
But......
Worrying about stuff you can't hear, or care to hear, yet some audiofools insist on discussing it ad-NAUSEUM till the cows come home....
Like in 12,450 pages of blabber.
The manufacturers made people nuts, with those claims of "DC to 200kHz" amps and stuff.
Who listens to DC? 🙄
It doesn’t work quite like that OS. Millions of planets that can support life but only then can you start to think about how life emerges, and as Brandon Carter and Anders Sandberg have shown, evolutionary timings run between 100 million yrs and 1 billion years, and the prospect of intelligent life emerging soon becomes vanishingly small. We are here, so it’s clearly not impossible, but we are pretty unique.
Our solar system is also very unusual. We have 3 small rocky planets closest to our home star, 1 of which is us in the Goldilocks zone. Planetary systems should evolve with gas giants close to the star because accretion discs are denser and have more matter towards the centre, and small rocky planets at the outer edges - and by and large this is what we see when we look at other star systems.
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ast.2019.2149
BTW, this group at Oxford U have also done quite a bit of work on interstellar and intergalactic colonization, ‘early’ and ‘late’ aliens and some of the challenges of bridging these distances. They say it’s feasible and then go onto ask ‘why aren’t we swamped with aliens already?
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