Dinosaurs lived a lot longer than humans have been around and yet no intelligent being came out of that chapter. If you count the chickens and other birds as dinosaurs, they are still around. Humans have been around very short time in comparison. It's basically a sudden burst in geological time scale. I dunno but panspermia hypothesis is becoming more and more favorable.
Maybe it already is. Perhaps our observation technology is not up to the snuff.
Dumb dinosaurs?
I've seen a lot of evidence to suggest that crows are quite intelligent.
Who's to say they weren't dinosaurs as intelligent as crows? Not only that but most dinosaurs have yet to be discovered and many will never be, so....
I've seen a lot of evidence to suggest that crows are quite intelligent.
Who's to say they weren't dinosaurs as intelligent as crows? Not only that but most dinosaurs have yet to be discovered and many will never be, so....
Why would you NEED intelligence and Technology if you can EAT any life form on the planet, including intelligent ones, for breakfast?
WE did not win any battle against them, it took a Planetary Catastrophe to wipe them out.
By the way, it can also wipe US out if it hapens today.
Its always about the money...
This show was on TV last night (in Australia)
7NEWS Spotlight investigation lifts the lid on UFO encounters in Australia and around the world | Spotlight
Scroll down to the bottom of the link, and guess what..you can buy the book!
Yawn
This show was on TV last night (in Australia)
7NEWS Spotlight investigation lifts the lid on UFO encounters in Australia and around the world | Spotlight
Scroll down to the bottom of the link, and guess what..you can buy the book!
Yawn
Ah ha, perhaps the intelligence we are talking about is the ability to come up with the technology to do something about planetary catastrophe such as incoming asteroid.
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I'm not sure what the link is between technology and intelligence.
For example - peoples without technology are not less intelligent than those who have technology.
For example - peoples without technology are not less intelligent than those who have technology.
How can it not be linked? The definition of technology:
- the branch of knowledge that deals with applied science, engineering, the industrial arts, etc.
- the application of knowledge for practical ends.
- a technological process, invention, or method.
- the sum of the ways in which social groups provide themselves with the material objects of their civilization.
- the terminology of a field; technical nomenclature.
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Humans and dinosaurs never co-existed, we never overlapped with their existence. They were gone 65M years ago and we didn’t appear until a very long time later,
But an intelligent being did come out of that chapter.
It just took a few million more years (which I took as the point of the comment that took the thread in this direction).
It just took a few million more years (which I took as the point of the comment that took the thread in this direction).
Maybe the thing that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom (and by extension, aliens over less intelligent species) is agency. Orcas are undoubtedly smart, but the best they can do is have deep thoughts at the bottom of the ocean and little else. Crows use tools so they have technology but little agency. We build spacecraft and go to other planets and can change our environment at will i.a.o things. That’s the difference IMV.
The big questions - Things that we can only say "you know what it is when you see it" but that we don't have a proper definition of, and can't meaningfully measure:
Consciousness
Intelligence
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Consciousness
Intelligence
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Let me restate. We are no more intelligent than were our ancestors who lived 10,000 years ago. Our technology far exceeds their tech. We have more knowledge of many things that they do not and they have knowledge of things that we do not have (an almost encyclopedic knowledge of local plants and their uses, etc.)
Another example - when Europeans came to N. American they had more technology than did the Natives but they were not more intelligent than were the Natives.
Dolphins, like us, are intelligent animals. Without hands I can't imagine how they could acquire technology. If you make a dolphin 1000X more intelligent they would still have problems acquiring technology.
If you do not use your intelligence to make technology are you then not so intelligent? I don't think that's the case.... Technology can only come from intelligence (therefor they are linked, you are correct) but the lack of technology does not mean a lack of intelligence....technology only makes intelligence easier to identify.
Or at least that's what I think....
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"We are no more intelligent than were our ancestors who lived 10,000 years ago".
I cannot imagine a more dullard thing to say, by your logic, an earlier ancestor of say two-million years prior would still be "just as smart". How about farther back, say a proto-Limur?
This ennobling of cultures & ancient peoples has been a thorn in the backside of cultural-anthropology for fifty years...It all started with "The noble savage", a "romantic primitivism", likely driven by a sense of guilt.
I do wonder how many centuries, how many generations passed...when our ancients were chipping away at a piece of obsidian trying to make a Folsom point...& the razor-sharp leavings littering the dirt floor, the bloodied feet...just how long it took to realize the scraps were far sharper than what they were fabricating.
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I cannot imagine a more dullard thing to say, by your logic, an earlier ancestor of say two-million years prior would still be "just as smart". How about farther back, say a proto-Limur?
This ennobling of cultures & ancient peoples has been a thorn in the backside of cultural-anthropology for fifty years...It all started with "The noble savage", a "romantic primitivism", likely driven by a sense of guilt.
I do wonder how many centuries, how many generations passed...when our ancients were chipping away at a piece of obsidian trying to make a Folsom point...& the razor-sharp leavings littering the dirt floor, the bloodied feet...just how long it took to realize the scraps were far sharper than what they were fabricating.
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All of those incidents are old news. Joe Rogan interviewed Commander David Fravor almost 2 years ago and others such as the more controversial Bob
Lazar (who didn't make the 60 minutes episode). Those interviews are worth checking out due to the less hyped / more relaxed nature.
If they are real it certainly makes our earthly shenanigans look pretty silly.
Maybe they are trying to save us from ourselves.
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This dude is not my intellectual equal.....
Humans from 10,000 years ago were anatomically identical to us. Same sized brain. Our intellectual equal. An earlier ancestor from 2,000,000 years ago would have had a much smaller brain and less capacity for intelligence. I do not believe that they would be our equals in intelligence. I believe I could match wits with a Homo Erectus man and perhaps even beat him!
No sense of guilt here, I just acknowledge that they were our equals in intelligence...no better, no worse.
Flint knapping is a very difficult task.
I've included a picture of myself and a reproduction of a Homo Erectus (I'm the one with his shirt on). My brain is larger than his. You can see this when you look at the forehead.
(Is it just me or does Homo Erectus sound like the stage name for an 1970's gay porn star?)
Humans from 10,000 years ago were anatomically identical to us. Same sized brain. Our intellectual equal. An earlier ancestor from 2,000,000 years ago would have had a much smaller brain and less capacity for intelligence. I do not believe that they would be our equals in intelligence. I believe I could match wits with a Homo Erectus man and perhaps even beat him!
No sense of guilt here, I just acknowledge that they were our equals in intelligence...no better, no worse.
Flint knapping is a very difficult task.
I've included a picture of myself and a reproduction of a Homo Erectus (I'm the one with his shirt on). My brain is larger than his. You can see this when you look at the forehead.
(Is it just me or does Homo Erectus sound like the stage name for an 1970's gay porn star?)
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