Don’t we have a lounge for this kind of discussions? 😉 Wilsons are probably for those that can’t afford a Van Gogh.
It's a stereophile review.
It is measured at 1m from 300hz and up, below 300 is nearfield measurements that is spliced and "level matched"
If you look through hundreds of them, you will notice the nearfield section usually is higher in level then you find from other sources of third party measurements.
@maximax77 Absolutely no intent to bash the design. I'm just trying to understand the logic and reasoning in the design of this speaker. Not into wasting my time with soap opera type discussions. I want to keeo it as technical and objective as possible.
Again, this is a genuine attempt in discussing the design of these speakers. Its not considered lounge material for me. This is a multi way speaker and I wanted to understand what rhe design intent is considering the extremely high price tag. I figured maybe someone had some technical insight as to the designer's objective.
I am pretty sure that some top level designs from diy magazines like Hobby Hifi and Klang und Ton (both from Germany) yield satisfactory sound quality to make even the most critical listener lucky.
However some people like to buy for a lot of money loudspeakers because of prestige reasons.
If its not expensive it cannot be good?!
For example Hobby Hifi Audimax Reference loudspeaker
https://www.hifisound.de/de/Lautspr...sprecher-Bausatz-ohne-Gehaeuse-Paarpreis.html
Issue1/2021 Hobby Hifi Conclusion: "This is it, the loudspeaker who can do everything. Uncompromising quality in all respects, and at a price that is just upper mid-range for ready-made speakers. Audimax Reference Standard competes with the world's best speakers, and they come at a considerable five-figure rate. Measured against this, the use of materials is modest: from about 5,000 euros for a completely self-built pair of speakers, 7,000 euros with the particularly high-quality crossover components of our high-end recommendation. Well, if the cases are made by a carpenter, it will certainly be five digits all in all. But even this is by no means a comparison with adequate ready-made products:
There would be a fixed 30,000, 40,000 or 50,000 euros in the discussion. And the author is firmly convinced that these noble products, regardless of the price, have a very difficult time in terms of sound compared to the Audimax Reference Standard."
Product 'State of the art' is the term for what is technically feasible. We designed Audimax Reference Standard according to this maxim, equipped with three of the best loudspeaker drivers of the moment, which become a loudspeaker construction proposal that does not have to fear any competition thanks to an uncompromising precision crossover.
However some people like to buy for a lot of money loudspeakers because of prestige reasons.
If its not expensive it cannot be good?!
For example Hobby Hifi Audimax Reference loudspeaker
https://www.hifisound.de/de/Lautspr...sprecher-Bausatz-ohne-Gehaeuse-Paarpreis.html
Issue1/2021 Hobby Hifi Conclusion: "This is it, the loudspeaker who can do everything. Uncompromising quality in all respects, and at a price that is just upper mid-range for ready-made speakers. Audimax Reference Standard competes with the world's best speakers, and they come at a considerable five-figure rate. Measured against this, the use of materials is modest: from about 5,000 euros for a completely self-built pair of speakers, 7,000 euros with the particularly high-quality crossover components of our high-end recommendation. Well, if the cases are made by a carpenter, it will certainly be five digits all in all. But even this is by no means a comparison with adequate ready-made products:
There would be a fixed 30,000, 40,000 or 50,000 euros in the discussion. And the author is firmly convinced that these noble products, regardless of the price, have a very difficult time in terms of sound compared to the Audimax Reference Standard."
Product 'State of the art' is the term for what is technically feasible. We designed Audimax Reference Standard according to this maxim, equipped with three of the best loudspeaker drivers of the moment, which become a loudspeaker construction proposal that does not have to fear any competition thanks to an uncompromising precision crossover.
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In another thread our member IamJF summed it up along these lines: there are High Performance designs (read well designed) as e.g.: Genelec, Neumann, KEF, Dutch&Dutch,Kii, Revell etc. and so called Hi End designs such as e.g.: Sonus F., Wilson, etc. (read: gimmicky designs for outragious amounts oif money).
B&W is an interesting case in that it falls nowadys 25% in the first category and 75% in the latter category, whereas it used to be R&D design driven company.
B&W is an interesting case in that it falls nowadys 25% in the first category and 75% in the latter category, whereas it used to be R&D design driven company.
Wilson Audio has been known for exotic cabinet material which tends to be a lot
or part of the high price. And tends to use higher priced drivers.
Far as crossover design. Few designs have been tested.
Usually pretty poor.
often 4 ohm dual woofers with 1.6 to 2 ohm dips
No magical 1" domes, they are crossed to high with too much center to center spacing.
Assuming the price you get good off axis. As with most your assumptions, yes it is not possibly to get the performance you would
expect. You can already see in first post at 10 degrees the tweet is too high cross over and starting to dip in response.
Not a drama post, was curious myself and there is measurements and crossover rework done by " other" debatable gurus.
But at least the off axis and factory impedance measurements were shown.
The expensive cabinets are done well with little resonance, but the driver implementation/spacing/crossover fails.
As far as what you assume should happen as opposed to what actually happens.
or part of the high price. And tends to use higher priced drivers.
Far as crossover design. Few designs have been tested.
Usually pretty poor.
often 4 ohm dual woofers with 1.6 to 2 ohm dips
No magical 1" domes, they are crossed to high with too much center to center spacing.
Assuming the price you get good off axis. As with most your assumptions, yes it is not possibly to get the performance you would
expect. You can already see in first post at 10 degrees the tweet is too high cross over and starting to dip in response.
Not a drama post, was curious myself and there is measurements and crossover rework done by " other" debatable gurus.
But at least the off axis and factory impedance measurements were shown.
The expensive cabinets are done well with little resonance, but the driver implementation/spacing/crossover fails.
As far as what you assume should happen as opposed to what actually happens.
this is from Klang und Ton DIY Audio magazine
https://www.lautsprechershop.de/hifi/amton.htm
https://www.lautsprechershop.de/hifi/amton_messungen.htm
https://www.lautsprechershop.de/hifi/amton.htm
https://www.lautsprechershop.de/hifi/amton_messungen.htm
