The amps have no input buffer. My Luminaria has transformer volume at its input. I measured the Luminaria output impedance the other day and it is 60R in one channel and 70R in the other. So it should be good for frequency response.
Unlike you, I have to sleep now, and will finish my changes tomorrow.🙂
Unlike you, I have to sleep now, and will finish my changes tomorrow.🙂
Hi Zen Mod,
I modified the other channel today and the amps have been playing music for a few hours now.
The big change soundwise is the lower level of distortion is apparent when playing music at higher volume. Previously the sound would get a bit harsh at higher levels. I don't have a large room so I usually didn't have the volume turned high, so it was not an issue. Now I notice that I can listen at higher volume without the harshness.
Perhaps the sound is also smoother at lower volume.
It does show that there is a point where too much second order harmonic distortion is not good.
Thank you for doing all the work in finding a good operating point for the THF-51S.
Ben
I modified the other channel today and the amps have been playing music for a few hours now.
The big change soundwise is the lower level of distortion is apparent when playing music at higher volume. Previously the sound would get a bit harsh at higher levels. I don't have a large room so I usually didn't have the volume turned high, so it was not an issue. Now I notice that I can listen at higher volume without the harshness.
Perhaps the sound is also smoother at lower volume.
It does show that there is a point where too much second order harmonic distortion is not good.
Thank you for doing all the work in finding a good operating point for the THF-51S.

Ben
I'm not saying that I did it in best possible way ........ but I can say that I wore my chair with this one , and wore it fast .....
🙂
now, slooow process of making my own Singing Bush , and enjoying in every slow second of even just planning it ......
🙂
now, slooow process of making my own Singing Bush , and enjoying in every slow second of even just planning it ......
Pa's BAF 2015 Lecture slides
just edited first post of thread , to include this line :
I forgot that all Pa's BAF 2105 Lecture slides , due M. Rothacher's nicety , are available here for download (besides some other interesting things from Mr. MR) :
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just edited first post of thread , to include this line :
I forgot that all Pa's BAF 2105 Lecture slides , due M. Rothacher's nicety , are available here for download (besides some other interesting things from Mr. MR) :
Articles | AudioMaker
I'm not saying that I did it in best possible way ........ but I can say that I wore my chair with this one , and wore it fast .....
🙂
now, slooow process of making my own Singing Bush , and enjoying in every slow second of even just planning it ......
Thanks to you for the incredible effort
Time for you to enjoy Rome
😀

#127 was reply to Souudhappy's post with link to Pa's Lecture
now , it's missing .....
is S'Happy having , somehow, supernatural deleting powers?

Oops yes was video teleportation to hyperspace 😀
BTW, some caps for the input if needed
B32669C3106K EPCOS / TDK | Mouser France
C4GADUC5100AA1J KEMET | Mouser France
BTW, some caps for the input if needed
B32669C3106K EPCOS / TDK | Mouser France
C4GADUC5100AA1J KEMET | Mouser France
well, I think we can manage with 1uF perfectly
considering Rin of 100K , even 470nF is plethora
considering Rin of 100K , even 470nF is plethora

Best is play Frank Z music and try big or tiny input cap in vivo.
My plethora is 15 uF MKP with " full body muscular " sound stage.
22 uF oil cap's was a bit too much
My plethora is 15 uF MKP with " full body muscular " sound stage.
22 uF oil cap's was a bit too much

We can hear the audio difference between 470nF and 1uF
funny video 🙂 effects from coupling capacitors in audio circuits
the next is for scientific minds How to select input capacitor value and type for audio amplifier projects
funny video 🙂 effects from coupling capacitors in audio circuits
the next is for scientific minds How to select input capacitor value and type for audio amplifier projects
Well , we all know funny Laws of Life .......... to achieve Plethora of Pinjatas , one must find The Singing Bush , and fathom real role, place and importance of said Phenomena in search for Greater Pastures
so , let's refresh a memory ........ The Singing Bush
as you probably know , I was on Pilgrimage (end of last year) to Sea Ranch .... to have few walks by the Open Ocean , collect some wood flown to shore ..... and to remind Pa that life isn't serious thing at all
who sez that patience and good eye are not things good to have ?
good eye spotted that Pa is not having a Loo in ( or by) his workshop;
patience is needed to catch a moment when Pa must go to Loo ( in da House) , while forgetting to shoot me outa Workshop and lock ..........
so - result is - I came back home with pair of 2SK77B Tokins , being so damn lucky that Pa didn't count them in da Shoe-box , prior to packing me in Variac's car .... ( he drove me to Snoopy Airport)
anyway , what to do with just a pair of them ...... I can't make just one Digital Domain channel ...... still using stereo in my systems ; have no money left for another Pilgrimage so fast and , besides , Pa would say "we are not home!!" even without counting what's left of Tokins in shoe-box...
so , must be some SE ........
luckily , eye and patience again - I recollect watching funny vid , Pa's Lecture at BAF 2015 , where he presented ZM's 50W SE Amp , and also Peasant (rest of Greedy Boyz) iteration , where he cheated , forcing one vulgar mos puck to behave SIT-like ,, with help of some Schade feedback , obtained with nice input xformer
coincidentally - we recently had some fun in 2sk77b
I already posted some pics and back'o'napkin sketches there , but here we go again , posting everything here , to have it complete in one place
to start with , for your amusement , picture of Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary
edit on 13.02.2020: I forgot that all Pa's BAF 2105 Lecture slides, due M. Rothacher's nicety , are available here for download (besides some other interesting things from Mr. MR) :
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Choky,
whoz da't guy next to papa who speaks Zemgrish.....
I want to build this amp.....I will be up for some boards.
Cheers,
Greg
see , ZM's 50W SE Amp , as Papa kindly constructed it ......
it's clever to watch entire vid I linked in previous post ....... you can learn few things , especially about heat![]()
Baldric "I have a cunning plan......''
I literally ran into this actor in London while he was filming a tv series. I wanted to blurt out a Bladricism....but I left him alone...😀
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Perhaps the sound is also smoother at lower volume.
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so, Ben , did you had some more play time ?
Hi Zen Mod,
The revised operating point is definitely a winner. As I mentioned previously, the lower distortion at higher output is definitely noticeable and appreciated.
As for at lower listening level, I really can't say whether I can tell any difference. My memory is not that good. All I can say is that I was quite happy with the sound at lower levels before the change. So perhaps with the initial setup the H2 at lower levels was not high enough to be objectionable.
Ben
The revised operating point is definitely a winner. As I mentioned previously, the lower distortion at higher output is definitely noticeable and appreciated.
As for at lower listening level, I really can't say whether I can tell any difference. My memory is not that good. All I can say is that I was quite happy with the sound at lower levels before the change. So perhaps with the initial setup the H2 at lower levels was not high enough to be objectionable.
Ben
so , you being practically first being able of making any proper comparisons ..... what are main gains and is there any drawbacks , vs. "regular" FW format amps (those- meaning both lower power and lower dissipation .....and lower THD) ?
I can't comment , hardly being even close to be objective ........ and - didn't had a moment of stereo operation ; did put some tunes with THF51 iteration , but only mono and - my speakers are really too easy ....
resorting to Papa's tricks - connecting adequate load in parallel to speaker , so demands to amp being properly increased ..... one needs to get used to any new procedure , so no go for now
I can't comment , hardly being even close to be objective ........ and - didn't had a moment of stereo operation ; did put some tunes with THF51 iteration , but only mono and - my speakers are really too easy ....
resorting to Papa's tricks - connecting adequate load in parallel to speaker , so demands to amp being properly increased ..... one needs to get used to any new procedure , so no go for now
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