DIY: K&T Nada and a 12" Coax DIYYou made us very curious…
Comercial: Marten Oscar Trio, Living Voice IBX
I listend to the Marten's and Living Voice's because I wanted to know how they sound and to have a reference for the DIY speakers.
The price point is out of reach for me.
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I don't think, it is possible to DIY these speakers. And if yes, and even if you are able to buy the speakers drivers it will end up at a price point were you can alaready buy a second hand pair in good condition.If you really want a clean neutral sound you better go look at some top studio monitors. Neumann makes monitors that in my experience are very popular among classic musicians and listeners. Especially the KH310 is popular. They are active altough and not build for hifi systems (so the input is balanced xlr and AES). I know many classical musicians who own Neumann monitors and don't want nothing else anymore. Genelec is the main contender and has a bit a harder sharper sound and more popular for pop & co studio's and listeners and as expensive.
This is not impossible, but very hard to diy, and not cheap to buy. But more neutral you won't find than those two brands (as tested by various websites).
That neutral can also be a turnoff, it is for many, But on your comments i think you should try them, they may be what you're after.
That Nada Is old school. You can see it in the response curve:DIY: K&T Nada and a 12" Coax DIY
A lot of sound energy from 3 to 6kHz. Because woofer and tweeter directivity don't match properly. Like this one:
(you try and find out which one this is. It's German too... 😛)
Try to find a design that has good directivity behaviour (and not such quite expensive drivers).
Lol, yupp I will do. Even thought, it was fun the last two weeks in Germany to listen to various speaker designs
What is the second one, it goes quiet deep linear to 50Hz
What is the second one, it goes quiet deep linear to 50Hz
That Nada Is old school. You can see it in the response curve:
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A lot of sound energy from 3 to 6kHz. Because woofer and tweeter directivity don't match properly. Like this one:
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(you try and find out which one this is. It's German too... 😛)
Try to find a design that has good directivity behaviour (and not such quite expensive drivers).
Lol, yupp I will do. Even thought, it was fun the last two weeks in Germany to listen to various speaker designs
What is the second one, it goes quiet deep linear to 50Hz
Is it one of the Heissmann Monitors?
Bingo!Is it one of the Heissmann Monitors?
There’s a law for that. Size and low frequency cutoff determine efficiency. So higher efficiency and same size will cost you low frequency extension.
@Elfriede --
Scanning through this entire discussion, one question looms: Why do you want to build kit speakers?
If you need to hear them first, it is much easier to buy new or used speakers. To audition completed kit speakers, unless the kit maker offers a listening retail outlet, you must rely on the kindness of strangers. Not to say this doesn't exist, but it's not a good numbers game. The range & number of good used speakers available is staggering in most urban centers, and surely among them you can find speakers first shortlisted by reading reviews, specs & other opinions, then auditioned before purchase. That would seem a more practical route.
This goes against the DIY norm of this community, but in your case, I don't see much benefit.
Scanning through this entire discussion, one question looms: Why do you want to build kit speakers?
If you need to hear them first, it is much easier to buy new or used speakers. To audition completed kit speakers, unless the kit maker offers a listening retail outlet, you must rely on the kindness of strangers. Not to say this doesn't exist, but it's not a good numbers game. The range & number of good used speakers available is staggering in most urban centers, and surely among them you can find speakers first shortlisted by reading reviews, specs & other opinions, then auditioned before purchase. That would seem a more practical route.
This goes against the DIY norm of this community, but in your case, I don't see much benefit.
I don't think, it is possible to DIY these speakers. And if yes, and even if you are able to buy the speakers drivers it will end up at a price point were you can alaready buy a second hand pair in good condition.
Definitely getting harder and harder to justify DIY these days. Very performant speakers at any price point these days.
In which case, I suggest finding and listening to a pair of Yamaha NS1000s. They were sold in huge numbers over a long period of time (2 decades?) & are still pretty darn good, even by today's standards. The enclosure construction is exceptional, and that mid beryllium dome is still near SOTA. There are also many online stories/descriptions of people rebuilding, improving & modifying them. IE, getting one in decent shape is a pretty safe bet. I had a pair for a few years, mostly to experiment & learn about them, and then passed them on. Now I regret that decision. 🙁@mikessi
I agree. For me is important, to have the possibility of a listening session before buying.
With a speaker kit, it is difficult to listen before buying.
http://www.thevintageknob.org/yamaha-NS-1000.html
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