@haraldo: Congrats on your new space!
@mark100: so that was your kitchen, a couple of pages back 😀
@mark100: so that was your kitchen, a couple of pages back 😀
Max volume setting (restricted in Jriver) is about ~90 dB average out in the room.
(volume leveling is always on in JRiver)
I once had such an accident while measuring a long time ago. Don't want to re-live that
. So that's when I restricted the output within JRiver. It was playing without any filter on and gave me quite a scare!
I'd be tempted to have hard wired attenuation fail safe, but that's probably just me, I don't have sufficient faith in (my) software abilities.
I'd sincerely agree... I would possibly look towards a digital frontend like MiniDSP 4x10 HD because I assume the obvious need for dsp as well as a digital delay line to time aling the speakers and subwoofers. If there should be some form of bug in there or something else that leaves the full output to subwoofers capable of 130dB+ I would not rest well 😱
Well the subs won't fire accidentally, the arrays stand a greater change of getting a wrong signal. But a MiniDSP would not be an option for me.
Frankly, I don't have a problem and aside from one mishap, that I created myself I've been fine for years. I'd miss the power a PC has with all you can do there.
65K tabs, multiple VST plugins, routing the way I want/like it. Video/audio sync, switching between multiple setup types like Stereo and HT.
One little accident was all it took to wake me up and never let it happen again 😉.
Frankly, I don't have a problem and aside from one mishap, that I created myself I've been fine for years. I'd miss the power a PC has with all you can do there.
65K tabs, multiple VST plugins, routing the way I want/like it. Video/audio sync, switching between multiple setup types like Stereo and HT.
One little accident was all it took to wake me up and never let it happen again 😉.
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I would NOT
Only if you run windows server, win10 is scr#*%
MacOS or Linux could be workable choices.
I am running different Linux distros, MacOS, Windows server 2016 and 2019 and Windows 10, the only really unstable platform is win10, and windows update is crap intrusive.
At least my advice would be to stay away from OEM versions of Windows and use pure Microsoft Windows without all that unnecessary crapware and be very aware of drivers
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It's a shame that there are so many standalone DSP's, but relatively little discussion on PC based crossovers/filtering etc. on the rest of the internet, or is it just me?
Until now I've only had the 'pleasure' of working with Equalizer APO, and I'm glad I found an alternative as well with JRiver. If there are other alternatives I'd like to hear about them too.
About the volume thing: When tinkering with the settings (APO), I sometimes uncheck the 'Instant mode' because the knobs don't mind flipping from all the way negative to positive when using a mouse. Other times I just mute Windows.
The reason I was asking though is not for safety per se, but because I've read that lowering the pc's sys. vol. lowers the bitres at the same time and I wanted to ask for your opinions..
Some choose to leave the PC vol. at 100% and do the attenuation in the analogue domain. I wish it were that simple for me, but Linkwitz transform is eating 17dB of dynamic headroom on the PC alone...
Adjusted amp gains so that 100% vol. in Windows is still plenty for normal listening. But apart from having a more fine volume control, it's hard for me to notice a difference. I would want to say I can hear it, but I'm just not sure I can trust myself for not being biased on this.
@wesayso: I don't want to hijack your thread though and if my questions are too much, just say it, I would understand completely.
@haraldo: No problem! Do you have any threads about your audio?
Agree 100% with you about Windows. 10 for Workstations is nice too, it walks the fine line between doing what you want it too do and also don't ask you why you want to shut it down 🙄
Until now I've only had the 'pleasure' of working with Equalizer APO, and I'm glad I found an alternative as well with JRiver. If there are other alternatives I'd like to hear about them too.
About the volume thing: When tinkering with the settings (APO), I sometimes uncheck the 'Instant mode' because the knobs don't mind flipping from all the way negative to positive when using a mouse. Other times I just mute Windows.
The reason I was asking though is not for safety per se, but because I've read that lowering the pc's sys. vol. lowers the bitres at the same time and I wanted to ask for your opinions..
Some choose to leave the PC vol. at 100% and do the attenuation in the analogue domain. I wish it were that simple for me, but Linkwitz transform is eating 17dB of dynamic headroom on the PC alone...
Adjusted amp gains so that 100% vol. in Windows is still plenty for normal listening. But apart from having a more fine volume control, it's hard for me to notice a difference. I would want to say I can hear it, but I'm just not sure I can trust myself for not being biased on this.
@wesayso: I don't want to hijack your thread though and if my questions are too much, just say it, I would understand completely.
Nope, 50/50 chance for me and when it does, +17dB on mid/high outputs after the reboot 😀
@haraldo: No problem! Do you have any threads about your audio?
Agree 100% with you about Windows. 10 for Workstations is nice too, it walks the fine line between doing what you want it too do and also don't ask you why you want to shut it down 🙄
you guys are scaring me. I'm on Win10 Pro on my audio computer and Win10 Home on my laptop. I haven't touched anything like Linux since the early 1980's when I sat next to my SW partner and helped bring BSD Unix up on early microprocessor hardware.
Fortunately, I'm still using MiniDSP for the pre-EQ and sub xo so all the windows updates do is muck up my global DIR EQ. Sounds like I need to move to Linux before I move all my filters into JR
Fortunately, I'm still using MiniDSP for the pre-EQ and sub xo so all the windows updates do is muck up my global DIR EQ. Sounds like I need to move to Linux before I move all my filters into JR
Honestly guys you can worry or critizy a PC based setup as much as you want, in my world and probabbly also for wesayso its a fake storm in a glass of water, myself had run JRiver for years on a a dedicated PC locked at 192kHz for multyway XO duties listening on the analog input, another dayly workhorse is my Jriver player that output analog to the decicated PC, also my headphone setup is PC based running Jriver on a old laptop. Those PC's run Win 7 but for couple of years from time to time i exchange my SSD bootdrive to one running Win10 to see status of where MS is heading, can't remember Windows update ever had caused any alarming faults on audio domain, faults i had over time is my own stupid mistakes because we are only human beings and have to say the mistakes has nothing to do with digital age because decades ago in analog world i also could blow things up from time to time doing stupid human being mistakes.
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I run Win 7 Pro, updates are done manually when I want it, auto update has been off for more than 2 years now. I will stick with this for at least some time, though I do have another drive with Win 10 Pro ready and waiting for me to be ready for it.
I've had one mayor failure, which wasn't Microsoft Windows related but due to my anti virus messing up my (software) raid mirror system drive.
My system drive no longer is in mirror, but all other drives are. Auto backup to a Nas every day, with a system that allows me to go back a couple of months. This is using free Veeam backup software.
I agree with BYRTT, I do not worry about using a PC to do audio work. I've been doing this for years on end, this is the third PC that runs my system, generally I update PC's every 5 years. Changed to this new workhorse this summer. Hard disks are swapped too every 5 years but not at the same interval as the PC. My PC is my workhorse as I also use it as a 3D CAD system, which makes it interesting for some extra Video options too, as I run that through the MadVR renderer that JRiver supplies as high quality service.
I agree with BYRTT, I've made more mistakes than I can remember Windows messing up by itself. I do not particularly like Windows 10 though. At work I run more than enough PC's with Win 10 Pro, as I do the system administration on the side (used to be my day job). That makes it easy to see where they are at, and I do see some of that silly stuff, like changing user choices back etc.
I've seen nothing like that with Win 7 Pro, before that I was on Win XP pro (waited till Service pack 3 though). I skipped Vista completely (also professionally).
My experience is like this; Win NT 3.51: Rock solid, Win NT4: Rock solid, Win 2000 Pro: Rock solid, Win XP SP3: Rock solid, Win 7 Pro: Rock solid.
(you could run a PC with Win NT for years on end without ever crashing or even a restart, running it 24/7 running light server duties)
Sure there have been horror versions of Windows, I kinda always have managed to avoid them, always running a clean setup without all the bloatware etc.
Linux etc. are not a viable option for me, but I could see myself start running Audio inside a Virtual Machine to keep it from the Internet in the future.
I've had one mayor failure, which wasn't Microsoft Windows related but due to my anti virus messing up my (software) raid mirror system drive.
My system drive no longer is in mirror, but all other drives are. Auto backup to a Nas every day, with a system that allows me to go back a couple of months. This is using free Veeam backup software.
I agree with BYRTT, I do not worry about using a PC to do audio work. I've been doing this for years on end, this is the third PC that runs my system, generally I update PC's every 5 years. Changed to this new workhorse this summer. Hard disks are swapped too every 5 years but not at the same interval as the PC. My PC is my workhorse as I also use it as a 3D CAD system, which makes it interesting for some extra Video options too, as I run that through the MadVR renderer that JRiver supplies as high quality service.
I agree with BYRTT, I've made more mistakes than I can remember Windows messing up by itself. I do not particularly like Windows 10 though. At work I run more than enough PC's with Win 10 Pro, as I do the system administration on the side (used to be my day job). That makes it easy to see where they are at, and I do see some of that silly stuff, like changing user choices back etc.
I've seen nothing like that with Win 7 Pro, before that I was on Win XP pro (waited till Service pack 3 though). I skipped Vista completely (also professionally).
My experience is like this; Win NT 3.51: Rock solid, Win NT4: Rock solid, Win 2000 Pro: Rock solid, Win XP SP3: Rock solid, Win 7 Pro: Rock solid.
(you could run a PC with Win NT for years on end without ever crashing or even a restart, running it 24/7 running light server duties)
Sure there have been horror versions of Windows, I kinda always have managed to avoid them, always running a clean setup without all the bloatware etc.
Linux etc. are not a viable option for me, but I could see myself start running Audio inside a Virtual Machine to keep it from the Internet in the future.
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Maybe brick wall is best. Mine is between stone wall and door frame, was dry lined wall, still is above. I've mounted baffle on separate timber frame that is isolated all round by foam, below too, works well.
I don't mind, you've got to get the info from somewhere. I've never had a problem with the digital volume, but as said, I barely ever touch in except vor Home Theatre. If I want I can use my phone to adjust volume, through the free Gizmo app for JRiver. That one connects to JRiver with some vital functions available. They also have a full functioning paid app, but i don't need it.
I'm still a few versions behind at the moment, I don't upgrade every time JRiver comes out with something new. I run JRiver 22 even though I remember paying for the 23 license (not in use yet). The last move to a new PC was pretty painless. Had it up and running again quite fast.
I should do some new measurements but I'll wait for the subs to be ready.
Yes, I didn't mention that to undermine your infinite baffle, I just see it as an advantage to have a sturdy heavy baffle. Most old houses are build like that over here and it's what I like best. I don't really like the newer build styles as much as the old stuff. Especially 30's in our country, but my current house is even older but that's actually a slight disadvantage as far as outer walls go.
My house is a stone terrace, originally one up one down, literally four stone walls that's it, and rather thick, this is just a partition between the front door and stairs and lounge. Solid baffle is best I would think, certainly for an array, you see push-push manifolds in all kinds of flimsy timber walls/ceilings/floors, I'm not sure how well they would work, theoretically there shouldn't be much if any mechanical vibration, depending on the space behind there could be plenty of air vibration coupling to walls though.
Sorry mate!!!!!
I didn’t mean to scare you... nothing wrong is going to happen, it’s just insanely irritating if the audio computer starts rebooting for 20 minutes in the middle of a serious listening session... and whatever people say, it’s not really that simple to get things going on Linux....
Let me get back to you later with some tips on win10pro
Guess there’s a thread for this somewhere else 😛
Take care 😛
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I'm not really scared but occasionally irritated as about once or twice an hour during a listening session Win10 goes away allowing JRiver's 1 second buffer to run dry, and then, more often than not, comes back and continues as if nothing had happened.
This shouldn't happen on a system that isn't doing anything other than audio and GUI but it does and is likely a matter of setting priorities somewhere.
And occasionally on rebooting after an update, I have to do a little debug to get JR up again. But the cause is usually Win10 not finding my USB sound card or MiniDSP needing a 2nd try to come up.
But, as has been said, the occasionally really loud bursts of sound are due to pilot error. Thankfully REW now has a sweep-abort on too high level feature built in. I managed to blow out a mic and unprotected soundcard preamp input once before that was implemented.
So scared is too strong a word but I am concerned.
I will appreciate those tips, especially if they address my dropout problem. I turned away from Unix a long time ago and I don't want to go back.
This shouldn't happen on a system that isn't doing anything other than audio and GUI but it does and is likely a matter of setting priorities somewhere.
And occasionally on rebooting after an update, I have to do a little debug to get JR up again. But the cause is usually Win10 not finding my USB sound card or MiniDSP needing a 2nd try to come up.
But, as has been said, the occasionally really loud bursts of sound are due to pilot error. Thankfully REW now has a sweep-abort on too high level feature built in. I managed to blow out a mic and unprotected soundcard preamp input once before that was implemented.
So scared is too strong a word but I am concerned.
I will appreciate those tips, especially if they address my dropout problem. I turned away from Unix a long time ago and I don't want to go back.
Sorry for interrupting...
I promised to post a picture of some MDF boxes.
Finally found some photo's.
The 4 darkest ones were the first ones I built.
They're ugly, I know. But there's no dignity in hiding them either.
So come and have a laugh, I don't mind.
Lots of respect for the people who put in the effort to make their projects look nice. I hope some day I'll find the motivation too.
I promised to post a picture of some MDF boxes.
Finally found some photo's.
The 4 darkest ones were the first ones I built.
They're ugly, I know. But there's no dignity in hiding them either.
So come and have a laugh, I don't mind.
Lots of respect for the people who put in the effort to make their projects look nice. I hope some day I'll find the motivation too.
