I discovered locally a pair of used dome midranges at 75€ :
@profiguy : any clues / advices about this ViFA dome midrange ?
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ViFA D75MX 41-8
These are 3" domes, specified for FS=300Hz and N=92dB/W/m, so the same values as the interesting ScanSpeak D7608-920010... They would be perfect for a primary evaluation test, I think.@profiguy : any clues / advices about this ViFA dome midrange ?
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d54 looks like a beast !Don't forget the Dynaudio D54. It even has been used in Tractrix horns from 600hz up to about 6khz.
One of the best vintage 2"Domes are from Braun. It was the garant for good sound in many Braun and ADS speakers from the mid 70s to early 90s.
I've been curious about the seeming lack of excitement for the Tang Band 75-1558 given what strikes me as very good measured performance. I thought hard about using it for my next build, but ended up going with the Kartesian Mid120 instead.
The 75MX41 is the same as the D7608-9200.
The Tangband 75-1558 came in 2 versions. The first (better) version is discontinued. The new SH version is not as good IMO. It has some issues in the lower midrange which appear to be stored energy problems and lack of dampening. The dome is also very convex shaped, which causes other issues off axis, not so much an issue with more shallow domes.
The Tangband 75-1558 came in 2 versions. The first (better) version is discontinued. The new SH version is not as good IMO. It has some issues in the lower midrange which appear to be stored energy problems and lack of dampening. The dome is also very convex shaped, which causes other issues off axis, not so much an issue with more shallow domes.
The Dynaudio D54 was a beast! it had a massive motor structure and was very efficient especially in the non AF version. It had a decent Xmax and low Fs. Too bad they’re no longer available like all the Dynaudio stuff.
Indeed, and even with 280Hz - 2300Hz cross over points on my 3 way below (not a dome mid, here), shallow slopes further contribute to that, leading to seaming-less blending of drivers too, IMO.Concerning the sensitivity figures, you have to remember that a mid driver with lower efficiency can compliment a higher sensitivity system simply due to lower level FR overlap of the LF and HF drivers adding to the total midband energy. This let's a mid with a few less dB sensitivity combine to produce flat FR
I guess shallow HF slope on a mid dome is rather difficult?
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I got a pair of the Dynaudio D54 with lots of little dust particles on the tacky surface.
Thought of cleaning them but I am very hesitant. Does anyone know what the tacky surface is made of?
Thought of cleaning them but I am very hesitant. Does anyone know what the tacky surface is made of?
Leave it as it is. It isn't an acoustical problem.
I want to sell them as I am into compression drivers as mids. Looks sadly is important for most people.
@Radian To clean your domes, simply use some blue painters tape and GENTLY dab the sticky side without applying pressure to the dome surface and it will lift the dust particles off. As long as you use the higher quality tape and don't push down on the dome with force, it will clean them like new. I do this to all my domes and coated speaker cones. It works beautifully. It even works on domes which are pushed in if you apply very light pressure.
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This is some unknown dome - old Peerless 2" OEM, I think were under Peerless and Philips brands many years ago. Nothing too special about them, basic motor, rear chamber with some felt stuff in it. Chamber is plastic with an audible "ting" to it with a tap test, could benefit from some reinforcement or something like dynamat stuck to the back of it. Chamber could maybe benefit from some more stuff in the pole piece too.
Measured in a bookshelf size speaker for testing.
Measured 0-90 at 15 deg steps.
IB estimation by dividing on-axis mreaurement by diffraction simulation.
Distortion measured at 2.8V. Nothing to write home about, 3rd order is high, outperformed by most cone drivers made today.
Again, at 5V (+5dB)
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Measured in a bookshelf size speaker for testing.
Measured 0-90 at 15 deg steps.
IB estimation by dividing on-axis mreaurement by diffraction simulation.
Distortion measured at 2.8V. Nothing to write home about, 3rd order is high, outperformed by most cone drivers made today.
Again, at 5V (+5dB)
Impedance:
Is this for me? It's the L18 - the L22 is in my avatar pic. I use the L18 in preference as it's a small room. XO doesn't need to be complex, other than a notch for the L18 and some minor deviation to help damp the resonance of the EM1308.Is this the L22 @Zvu? What kind of filtering do you use? Seems like a good match to a dome mid, but I always wondered about the low sensitivity.
XO is below.
Ah sorry typed wrong username. Nice filter and very nice looking speakers. Do you need a beefy amp for the low sensitivity? I believe there are some black cone L18/22s available somewhere, somehow.
@DcibeL Yes, thats a Peerless dome. They came with extended back chamhers too.The H3 peak is due to breakup and lack of dampening in the pole cavity. If you fill that cavity with loose wool, the H3 will come down a bit, but I don't think it's that bad, especially compared to other cone drivers operating in the midband above their breakup point.
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FWIW, Vifa TG9FD10-04, cranked to 6.2V. Peerless is "Not bad", but far from great. I have tested Wavecor WF120BD04 in a similar manner, I won't post here since cheap TG9 is already setting the bar. Main downside of TG9 is low sensitivity, while the dome mid is fairly sensitive, maybe around 88-89dB@2.8V/1m.
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I’ve seen some experiment with 2” compression drivers installed flipped and without a backside, using the membrane as a dome and plugging the ordinary horn throat.
Does anyone got any positive results with this setup? I’m having a couple of DAS K-8 with 4” aluminium membranes I’m thinking of trying this with.
Pretty easy to just setup and measure. I’ll post the result here if anyone is interested.
Does anyone got any positive results with this setup? I’m having a couple of DAS K-8 with 4” aluminium membranes I’m thinking of trying this with.
Pretty easy to just setup and measure. I’ll post the result here if anyone is interested.
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