Hi Mondogenerator.
The "TABAQ MICRO" prototype will be with Tang Band W2-803SM which I will recieve this week. This is a project to see what you can get out of these small drivers, could be used for back ground music in the kithcen. When you try to squeze "bass" out of small drivers, high Qts is needed (as you stated) and also a cabinet with a large volume, relatively to the driver.
I have never tried arrays, but has read about several interesting project in this area.
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The "TABAQ MICRO" prototype will be with Tang Band W2-803SM which I will recieve this week. This is a project to see what you can get out of these small drivers, could be used for back ground music in the kithcen. When you try to squeze "bass" out of small drivers, high Qts is needed (as you stated) and also a cabinet with a large volume, relatively to the driver.
I have never tried arrays, but has read about several interesting project in this area.
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i cant speak about that particular driver but both the w2-800sl and frs5x get to maybe 90db without a hp filter, although the frs5x with qts 0.7 sounds warmer and a vague semblance of bass is realistically reprnduced, the suffer with over excursion more severely, i believe as a direct result of the higher qts. I found that 1st order hp with 15-22uf saves the tone of the drivers as well as saving the coils! If i had around 8 or more arrayed per channel i believe they would be really rather good all things considered. I would not recommend running at any real volume without at least a capacitor, unless in groups of drivers. Whilst the model you quote isnt the same as the drivers im using, im sure there is little difference between them, in terms of max output over full audio spectrum
ALPAIR in TABAQ Cabinet - no
Hi mondogenerator
The tuning of TABAQ is too low for ALPAIR 5 GREY. Please take a look at the simulation enclosed.
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Bjorn
Hi mondogenerator
The tuning of TABAQ is too low for ALPAIR 5 GREY. Please take a look at the simulation enclosed.
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Bjorn
thank you
it is very kind of you to post that simulation 🙂i thought the alpair 5 was not ideal for taba2 due to its higher fs, but thank you for taking the time to sim.
it is very kind of you to post that simulation 🙂i thought the alpair 5 was not ideal for taba2 due to its higher fs, but thank you for taking the time to sim.
Visaton FRS 8 M in TABAQ
Hi
I have enclosed simulations for Visaton FRS 8 M in TABAQ. Does not look too bad.
You should try both damping suggestions and use the one you find best.
Have fun !
Bjorn
Hi
I have enclosed simulations for Visaton FRS 8 M in TABAQ. Does not look too bad.
You should try both damping suggestions and use the one you find best.
Have fun !
Bjorn
Any progress on the 2" version? 😉
Im thinking about converting my towers to 2,5" peerless, thus I will need new enclosures for the Tang Bands. Very curious of how they turn out (and to lazy to make a pair myself for testing - to much work to be done at the house at the moment..)
Im thinking about converting my towers to 2,5" peerless, thus I will need new enclosures for the Tang Bands. Very curious of how they turn out (and to lazy to make a pair myself for testing - to much work to be done at the house at the moment..)
What kind of advantages can one expect from a 2x3" version of the TABAQ? (a tower with double the volume for 2 drivers/tower... a pair of this) what happens bellow 100hz?
Has anybody tried it before?
Has anybody tried it before?
Thanks Bjorn, very interesting results, thank you for sparing the time to simulate. Im not sure that they would really dig THAT deep, but the smooth slow rate of roll off below Fs is definitely desirable to me.
I would imagine that 3 of these drivers together, would actually put out reasonable volume, if tuned appropriately, but I still think the xmax of 0.4mm may be a bit of a hindrance.
I would imagine that 3 of these drivers together, would actually put out reasonable volume, if tuned appropriately, but I still think the xmax of 0.4mm may be a bit of a hindrance.
Neither have I
I read an interesting thread a long time ago:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/181047-angled-array-two-drivers.html
This idea of an angled array of 2 drivers seemed interesting, and during discussion in other threads, I have thought/ have had suggested to me to perhaps experiment with a 3 driver array (IF that is strictly an array).
The centre driver high passed or not (depending on use), and the 2 surrounding drivers low passed at somewhere around the baffle step frequency, perhaps 1st order. A little like a miniature 3x2" MTM 😀
I like the folded Tabaq box a lot. The size is perfect for my desk. Would it be okay to turn them with the port down and use 2" (5cm) feet ?
Folded TABAQ Upside down
Hi skirmitt
I think you should try it, it would probably work fine. The "blowing" from the opening is rather moderate.
You will be suprised of the performance of the small 3" drive in this cabinet.
Hi skirmitt
I think you should try it, it would probably work fine. The "blowing" from the opening is rather moderate.
You will be suprised of the performance of the small 3" drive in this cabinet.
On the desk I would try to move the port to the rear panel instead of the top/bottom. You simply extend the top to the rear panel outer surface (1,3 cm + wall thickness rear panel) and shorten the rear panel (1,3 cm + wall thickness top). I have done this with the "Ten Öre" (see picture). With 10 cm distance to the wall behind my desk it was okay.
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I don't want to be too insistent but just in case it was overlooked by anybody, I'm still looking for some input. I've heard many people trying to get away with the same volume for 2x drivers but that's not what I'm looking for, I'm "doubling my money" but I want to know what are the typical effects that come with this; i know the low end extension is the same but what about the overall sound... I've heard you get a little line array flavor even if you only have 2 drivers per channel.
You mean a Tabaq with the tang band w23-1287SI!?, that would be interesting, I have two of this drivers wich I wanted to use them in a sealed little box tunned to 200hz for a center channel... But a Tabaq design with this little driver it would a very interesting project...
Test folded TABAQ port down
I have tested the folded TABAQ. First with the opening facing upwards, then with the opening facing down with a plastic box 5 cm tall as a foot.
I can not hear the difference, so it works fine with a foot.
I have enclosed a picture from my "test lab" 😀
I have tested the folded TABAQ. First with the opening facing upwards, then with the opening facing down with a plastic box 5 cm tall as a foot.
I can not hear the difference, so it works fine with a foot.
I have enclosed a picture from my "test lab" 😀
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That's nice ! And how about the sound, is it the same as the non folded version ?
Can you make a small movie ?
Can you make a small movie ?
Hi skirmit, my original TABAQ is now playing with TB 4", so i can not do a direct test. However, the folded version with the 3" sound a little better in the treble. The 4" has a higer SPL and a more tight bass (like i like it).
You will not be dissapointet with the folded and the 3".
I will see if i can make a vidoe one of these days.
I have enclosed a measurement of the foldet TABAQ. Please note: This is an App on Android (AudioTool) and i get different readings on the smartphone and the TAB due to the build in mice.
You will not be dissapointet with the folded and the 3".
I will see if i can make a vidoe one of these days.
I have enclosed a measurement of the foldet TABAQ. Please note: This is an App on Android (AudioTool) and i get different readings on the smartphone and the TAB due to the build in mice.
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No real array effect
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Thank you Scottmoose, but I think there may be other advantages - related to driver placement, one firing up for example, lower distortion for same SPL, more headroom for excursion for same SPL ... but that doesn't tell me how it sounds... I'll find out when I get there.