Thanks, each baffle uses 9 Dayton PT2C-8 planar tweeters and are flanked by a total of 24 6 1/2" poly cone mids. The mids are no name speakers but are the same Dayton uses in their B652 speakers. Dayton Audio T-Amp and B652 Portable Speaker System Bundle
6-1/2" Poly Cone Midbass Woofer 4 Ohm
Dayton Audio PT2C-8 Planar Tweeter
It's the mid drivers that are the open baffle part of the design. The baffles are crossed at 2500Hz and 70Hz at which point my distributed bass handles 70Hz and below.
Very nice! For those wanting to build something similar. PE has a pair of 5-1/4" Poly Woofers for $14.88/Pr. They say it's a buyout, but it is a Dynavox woofer, sold normally at $7.50/Ea. ($15.00/Pr.) by Dynavox. It has a 0.86 QTS.
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The driver units are Scanspeak Illuminators. The loudspeakers are based on Troel Gravesen's Illumina 66 Loudspeakers. I changed the material and veneer, the shape of the loudspeaker but faithfully kept the dimensions of the front baffle and internal volume. Top part of the baffle is covered in leather from Land Rover seats.
Steve
The driver units are Scanspeak Illuminators. The loudspeakers are based on Troel Gravesen's Illumina 66 Loudspeakers. I changed the material and veneer, the shape of the loudspeaker but faithfully kept the dimensions of the front baffle and internal volume. Top part of the baffle is covered in leather from Land Rover seats.
Steve
Hi Rob!
Just curious how much power do these speakers require to really sing? Also do these speakers seem to prefer either solid-state or tube amplification or doesn't that seem to be an issue? Beautiful to behold and I'm sure a pleasure to listen to as well!
I'm listening to: Dreamland by Yellowjackets
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Hey Tubeguy,
They aren't very efficient due to the mid range choice. The mids are the limiting factor with an overall efficiency of 88.3 dB 2.83V/1m. The Qts is 0.95 and why I chose them for open baffle use. Still, just a few watts is all it takes at my usual listening levels.
I use solid state amps to drive them. I can't say how they sound with tubes as all I've tried is a single tube buffer.
Rob
They aren't very efficient due to the mid range choice. The mids are the limiting factor with an overall efficiency of 88.3 dB 2.83V/1m. The Qts is 0.95 and why I chose them for open baffle use. Still, just a few watts is all it takes at my usual listening levels.
I use solid state amps to drive them. I can't say how they sound with tubes as all I've tried is a single tube buffer.
Rob
Hey Tubeguy,
They aren't very efficient due to the mid range choice. The mids are the limiting factor with an overall efficiency of 88.3 dB 2.83V/1m.
Rob
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24 woofers per channel with each driver at 88db. 3b increase per doubling of drivers so 2 is 91db, 4 at 94db, 8 at 97db..............if these aren't ridiculously loud with a 5 watt sett, somethings wrong! Lol
Hey Tubeguy,
They aren't very efficient due to the mid range choice. The mids are the limiting factor with an overall efficiency of 88.3 dB 2.83V/1m. The Qts is 0.95 and why I chose them for open baffle use. Still, just a few watts is all it takes at my usual listening levels.
I use solid state amps to drive them. I can't say how they sound with tubes as all I've tried is a single tube buffer.
Rob
how tall are they?
bet the imaging is huge!
They are 7' 8" tall. The imaging is huge and yet very natural. The biggest downside being I won't be able to go any other route for my main system. I do want to build a couple different types of speakers but mainly I'm looking at ways to improve on the floor to ceiling variety. I really like full length line array type two way speakers with distributed bass. Variations of this theme is likely where my attention will be for the next few years.
My reference system. Lost the room in the divorce but kept the system. I've been swapping out the tops trying various drivers but the modified Eminence 12LTAs with ASD1001 tweeters really sounds amazing to me. Love the H-frames fitted with Eminence Alpha 15. An all Eminence system can really sing.
Nice! I agree about Eminence 12LTA, it sounds great in open baffle and a few crossover / filter tweks...
What the chosen crossover freq. you prefer?
I let the 12LTA play full on open baffle and blend a tweeter (Eminence ASD 1001 plus Dayton 4.5" waveguide) using a 1.33uf cap. That's it. Not sure what frequency that would be but it's probably rolling in somewhere just after 10kHz.
The bass is covered by the H-frame which is dialed in by a 100 watt Dayton subwoofer amp. I'd recommend upgrading the amp to a higher powered option for better control of the bass and volume but for now it's all good in my apartment.
The bass is covered by the H-frame which is dialed in by a 100 watt Dayton subwoofer amp. I'd recommend upgrading the amp to a higher powered option for better control of the bass and volume but for now it's all good in my apartment.
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24 woofers per channel with each driver at 88db. 3b increase per doubling of drivers so 2 is 91db, 4 at 94db, 8 at 97db..............if these aren't ridiculously loud with a 5 watt sett, somethings wrong! Lol
Yeah, they do pretty well. 😀 It only takes a few watts per channel at my normal listening levels of about 75-85db.
At long last! These have taken me just a little longer to make than it did for me to work out how to post a photo of them into the forum........
Very nice indeed! Beautiful work
Thank you very much Fjellhelten for your kind words. As they burn in I am rediscovering my music collection and finding or I should say hearing details and instruments that were vague rumors before!
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24 woofers per channel with each driver at 88db. 3b increase per doubling of drivers so 2 is 91db, 4 at 94db, 8 at 97db..............if these aren't ridiculously loud with a 5 watt sett, somethings wrong! Lol
Yep, what Mayhem said. Those should be much more efficient than 88db.
well, with that many drivers per side and presumably a XO of some sort, there could be enough reactance to the impedance curve to cause many a 5 watt SET minor conniptions - sometimes there's more to power than just the number of watts "available"
Tapered quarter wave construction of my own design. Asymmetric crossover 1st/2nd order. Nice response to high thirties. Reasonably flat response.
Can't figure out how to rotate the picture sorry.
Isn't it ironic...Great design, nice response, assymetrical XO, and built beautifully. But, can't figure out how to rotate a pic!!! Don't worry, we all go through things like that.
Isn't it ironic...Great design, nice response, assymetrical XO, and built beautifully. But, can't figure out how to rotate a pic!!! Don't worry, we all go through things like that.
Yes it sure is! I can use Mathcad and lspcad but not rotate a picture. Go figure. Thanks for the kind words.
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Yep, what Mayhem said. Those should be much more efficient than 88db.
You guys are both right Dennis. I've been getting brain cramps lately, lol. 88db is just a single driver. 😱
I just finished (save for making some new wiring) a new pair of OB mid range units to go with my Newform Research tweeters.
I've done preliminary measurements/adjustments but now I'm going to listen for a couple of weeks before going back to the minidsp to tune them in.
So far I'm very happy!
I've done preliminary measurements/adjustments but now I'm going to listen for a couple of weeks before going back to the minidsp to tune them in.
So far I'm very happy!
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