Unfortunately it already has.
I read a report today by the way that the Appointed leader of Iraq...singlehandedly executed 6 suspected ...the minister of internal affairs...heartily congratulated him afterwards...while most Iraqies won't mind that (I think)...it will not be well received by the Arab world.
rfbrw said:
Just return your favor, foobie, 🙂
Bas Horneman said:
goint to democracy is a process. the elected officials may not be (and likely aren't goint to be) prestine clean but the country is moving in the direct direction in terms of its political process. Let's try to help them move further along instead of letting them languishing on the long road to democracy.
Which seems to be what the french and germany are trying to do: what happened to their self-proclaimed love for the Iraqi people in light of their refusal to support the Iraqi people?
Bas Horneman said:
Why do you say this?
Bas Horneman said:
Why not? many Arab countries have weekly public beheadings, in Saudi Arabia it's almost a form of entertainment. BTW I keep up on all the news I can about what's going on in Iraq and I have never read anything about the minister personally executing anyone, doesn't even seem plausible does it?
Millwood and others that respond to Millwood the same style: I strongly suggest calling other members by their real ( user ) name instead of trying to pull nails continuously by twisting their name. This is not kindergarten, if you can't win with arguments please try playing the game with some decency towards other people. This is very annoying behaviour, also for members that are not involved
jean-paul said:
good advise.
I only wish you could have done it sooner, at the first sign of it rather than waited for so long.
I used it as response to others who initiated it against me. Afterall, it is only fair the same medicine is returned to their rightful owners.
millwood said:
That may be so but it is a bad excuse for continuing or even starting posts like that. As you said yourself; it is good advise and I would stick to it.
Please don't come up with criticism against mods that they were too late correcting *your* behaviour, possibly in other threads too as I can extract from your words. Please understand that *your* includes everyone exhibiting the same behaviour.
I took action now because I read it now and action was needed now, it is only *you* that is responsible for *your* ( again, this counts for all participants ) behaviour, not the other members nor the mods. We can't possibly read everything you write nor be personal assistents warning members on the spot if they violate rules. There is a certain level of maturity required when joining a forum.
About the fairness of returning the same medicine, well, you could have turned the other cheek instead of getting yourself a reputation of troublemaker.
If you wish to discuss this further please send me a mail. These matters have no place in a thread about world peace.
jean-paul said:
I named "you" to mean all moderators: as others have pointed out repeatedly, moderation is poor at best here. nothing against you specifically but all the moderators in general.
jean-paul said:
no intention of that.
this is a forum where one-sided opinions and spins against america are daily occurance. I can give you a long list of things where america and americans don't do well. But you all, especially those european rednecks, should at least have the courage to stick to facts (asking them for fairness and logic is probably way too much).
I have in the past defended people I don't like: I defended Mr. Dickman and Peter Daniel, two of the less desirable characters in my mind, because of what I felt things done wrong to them. and I will also defend Europe if I feel the same. However, there is a complete lack of respect for Americans (thinking about calling people idiots just because they have differrent opinions with those redneck Europeans).
And the moderators did nothing about it.
If bringing truth to a discussion got me the reputation of being a trouble makers, I am fine with it.
jean-paul said:
absolute no intention of that.
You can't help it, Millwood. I suppose it must be in the DNA.
The spelling is Dieckmann, not Dickman.
The spelling is Dieckmann, not Dickman.
And I thought the land of rednecks is texas.
You know the cow boy story don't you?
As about the dickman, I would take great offence.
You know the cow boy story don't you?
As about the dickman, I would take great offence.
millwood said:
This is a tissue of excrement....Cuba told you to take a hike...
look what happened to them.....an illegal embargo was imposed on them....Guantanamo bay is now illegaly occupied by the U.S.A....etc...etc....
The USA perpetrates and perpetuates injustice around the world, and then asks why its political Establishment is held in universal contempt.... 🙄
mikeks said:
I read that we have a lease agreement with Cuba that states that as long as we occupy Guantanamo Bay we can stay, the only way we loose the lease is to abandon the area, then we can't come back. Don’t know if that is true, but if so, and the Cubans signed that lease then, well they got what they asked for, who would sign such a lease.
Doesn't sound likely to be true... wouldn't there be some sort of an enddate or other type of condition?kingdaddy said:
kingdaddy said:
It is indeed true.
And the US is such a horrible, oppressive place that people are risking their lives (and too often losing them) trying to escape from that workers' paradise and make their way to Florida. They come in little boats, on makeshift rafts, even on taped-up pieces of furniture.
Maybe they just like oppression.
Hans L said:
Doesn’t seem likely to me either, that's why I brought it up, anyone else got any info on this? I know I have wondered for years why a country that has such bad relations with us, (or probably the other way around) would allow our presence on their territory, I don’t know what they get out of it. I have yet to hear a logical story, but this information comes from the so called world fact book on the CIA forum I posted earlier, or should I say the information on this forum is used in the world fact book.
"US Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay is leased from Cuba and only mutual agreement or US abandonment of the area can terminate the lease"
Here is the link, this info was copied from the "Disputes" column on the USA selected country.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
Well, things are somewhat in dispute, not surprisingly. We have a rental agreement with Cuba, but Cuba is supposed to retain ultimate sovereignty over the area.
The agreement from 1903 says United States can stay there as long as it pays Cuba $4000 a year, (talk about rent control!). Also unsurprisingly, Cuba refuses to accept the money.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Guantanamo_Bay
Regardless of the legal status of the United States residence in Guantanamo Bay, the Supreme Court has increasingly ruled the treatment of the prisoners there is not legal, or at least contains illegal aspects.
The agreement from 1903 says United States can stay there as long as it pays Cuba $4000 a year, (talk about rent control!). Also unsurprisingly, Cuba refuses to accept the money.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Guantanamo_Bay
Regardless of the legal status of the United States residence in Guantanamo Bay, the Supreme Court has increasingly ruled the treatment of the prisoners there is not legal, or at least contains illegal aspects.
Good link Keltic, thanks, this answers a lot of questions I had about how we got there in the first place. So it’s a spoil of the Spanish American war, and we established a residence there well before the current Cuban government came to power. From what I read we have every right to be there, the Spanish had it, lost it, and we took over a small territory to basically keep a presence and avoid any hostile takeover from a subversive threatening government, makes sense to me. Let them cry fowl all they want, if we didn’t have a direct presence there they might have been taken over long ago by a truly colonialists government, of course there would probably still be war if that happened. The fact that they are no real threat to us is the only reason we would allow this (Cuban) government to stay, it’s far to close to our boarders to have a powerful opposing military force. At least that’s probably the way our government sees it, I know I would.
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