Hans L said:this time I hope I have the common sense to leave you there.
I am not that hopeful that you will do that, given your history and "intelligence".
This is one of your posts that have consistently demonstarted your lack of understanding of logic, reasoning, and otherwise common sense.
rfbrw said:
You're kidding, right? You have to be.
If we could turn back the clock and go back in time to the end of WWII, frankly I would not give you a nickel for our chances NOT to eventually get into a nuclear war with the Soviet Union.
How many times before in history have two giants, armed to the teeth, ever faced off for over fifty years and had war NOT break out? I don't know if that ever happened before. Somehow, we got through it.
The two major reasons we got through it are:
A) The US and the Soviet Union never get into a situation where they are shooting at each other. In VietNam, the Soviet Union supplied arms, but the US had 500,000 soldiers in there. In Afghansitan, we supplied the rebels with arms, but Russian troops were in there.
Interestingly, the side that had the troops in there each time ended up losing the war.
B) No nuclear bomb has been dropped since the end of WWII.
If nuclear bombs had grown routine in war between nations-and there are many wars between nations going on-then that would have grown into a full scale nuclear war. And if the US and USSR had ever started directly shooting at each other, the bombs eventually would be sure to start dropping.
We headed off a nuclear disaster once. Don't ask me how we did it. Let's not get lax and let one start now.
kelticwizard said:
So are you prepared to start a nuclear war in order to stop proliferation? It may well come down to that. To an extent it does not matter if the US sees Iran or North Korea as a threat because so long as Iran and North Korea see the US as a threat they will take whatever measures they deem necessary for their defence.
I’m inclined to go along with rfbrw on this one, at least when applied to the present political climate, and I think that is the way rfbrw meant it.
No one in their right mind would deploy a nuclear weapon upon another state or sovereign nation, I’m sure no one would do it to America anyway, that would be too easy. Talk about painting a target on your back, if we only had a mechanized army all lined up in a group with no civilians, and we had fallout from their bomb to fuel our resolve, I’m sure we wouldn’t hesitate to use the same with far greater force. What we truly have to worry about is an enemy that you cant find, one with no government or boarders, then who do you shoot at. The insurgents and Palestinians, well, all the Arab’s seem to find no problem mixing in with the general population and firing weapons, even hoping for return fire among the civilians, they seem to have no regard for any life, not even their own people. This kind of warfare is the most difficult and neutralizes most all WMD (in civil warfare) and even most bombs. If it weren’t for the research and trouble America has gone through to develop precision bombs things would be even more ugly IMO. I do agree with Keltic on the cold war “mutual mass destruction” portion though, but I don’t think that applies now.
I know I’m bragging about America, forgive me, I only intend to get a point across not elevate the USA above anyone else. The point is that if some one with a name and a home used a Nuclear weapon on the USA they would shortly be with out name and home and I think they know that. I feel that we will see a dirty bomb from a stateless foe before we ever see a mushroom cloud.
No one in their right mind would deploy a nuclear weapon upon another state or sovereign nation, I’m sure no one would do it to America anyway, that would be too easy. Talk about painting a target on your back, if we only had a mechanized army all lined up in a group with no civilians, and we had fallout from their bomb to fuel our resolve, I’m sure we wouldn’t hesitate to use the same with far greater force. What we truly have to worry about is an enemy that you cant find, one with no government or boarders, then who do you shoot at. The insurgents and Palestinians, well, all the Arab’s seem to find no problem mixing in with the general population and firing weapons, even hoping for return fire among the civilians, they seem to have no regard for any life, not even their own people. This kind of warfare is the most difficult and neutralizes most all WMD (in civil warfare) and even most bombs. If it weren’t for the research and trouble America has gone through to develop precision bombs things would be even more ugly IMO. I do agree with Keltic on the cold war “mutual mass destruction” portion though, but I don’t think that applies now.
I know I’m bragging about America, forgive me, I only intend to get a point across not elevate the USA above anyone else. The point is that if some one with a name and a home used a Nuclear weapon on the USA they would shortly be with out name and home and I think they know that. I feel that we will see a dirty bomb from a stateless foe before we ever see a mushroom cloud.
Bas Horneman said:
Im not sure of the exact events, but Coastro was supported by the US and the CIA during
the revulsion but turned after he got power, a bit like sadam and osama
and....................(the list goes on)
France (as did much of the world) learned its lesson with regard to victors privileges and
keeping your former enemies weak
The cold war is over, when it was the US vrs the USSR that was one thing, now its a
hyper power vrs a tiny harmless country just because it can
mikeks said:
the europeans are just like that: if they cannot win over the minds of their opponents, they would go out physically eliminate them.
Hitler tried that with the jews. and where he ended up may give you a clue where you are likely to end up.
millwood said:
Im sure that you are a victim of brain wash
millwood said:
The
JEW was not hitlers opponent, planes tanks and guns weremillwood said:
In an uderground bunker?
How would they all fit?
kingdaddy said:
Now this near religious belief in technology is something that bothers me. It does not matter how precisely you hit the target if it is the wrong target. Consider the poor saps who were in the restuarant Saddam was supposed to be in at the start of the invasion.
I think he went completely overboard in his Hitler posting #3309, where he effectively compares the overage European guy with the Uberfascist.zinsula said:
It is such a loathsome piece of text, I'm out of words to respond.
I couldn't care less what happens to him, he is staying on my ignorelist permanently.
Even with all that evidence?Bas Horneman said:Mikeks..you can't call fellow forum members imbeciles. Sent your post to Texas.
😀
I've had an epiphany. Mankind should reduce its per capita energy usage to the same level as existed in the Bronze Age, something that should be quite possible with advanced technology. Which European country will be the first to step up and provide the world an example?
And George Bush, Rumsfeld et al are evil evil evil, just as bad as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. The fact that the conservative US administration has not arbitrarily executed tens of millions of innocent individuals like these Left Wing Europeans and Asiatics have is an irrelevancy because my head is in the sand now like all good left thinking individuals!
And George Bush, Rumsfeld et al are evil evil evil, just as bad as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. The fact that the conservative US administration has not arbitrarily executed tens of millions of innocent individuals like these Left Wing Europeans and Asiatics have is an irrelevancy because my head is in the sand now like all good left thinking individuals!
Now, now, thoriated, don't be so modest. You should be proud of your massacres of the native population of the North America. The way you signed then broke treaties no doubt inspired the Nazis to enter into Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
'Proud' of what never happened? 90% of the excess deaths among native americans after Europeans began colonizing Northern America were due to the introduction of foreign pathogens.
IAC, even if, for the sake of argument, one grants these 'massacre' lies credence, they can't begin to compare to the 150,000,000 deaths worldwide during the 20th Century due to the applications of socialist ideology in its various forms. AFAIC, Leftism Eurostyle will still be on probation for at least several decades yet.
One of the biggest errors that LW Europeans make is conflating US conservatism with what Europeans consider their right wing. They actually have little in common and their antecedents are completely different. The European version is based more on assumed privilege and the US version on morality and an elevated sense of applied social ethics.
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