I think can hear your noise all the way from Texas: "Har har haor whoo whoo whooo" <grabing crouch and growling at high volume and deep pitch>Lusso5 said:
And which part was that anyway? The part where he says "10 billion, big deal". Very eloquent...
So is putting a bullit through someones head or blowing up his house. What's you point?
You are putting words in my mouth! Take it back!
You are deliberately badmouthing me, which can only mean you have nothing else to offer...There we go again. O god how superior you are...
... if only your bragging skills were surpassed by your willingness to improve the world...I don't know... Perhaps they feel guilty? ... where did you pull these numbers, anyway? I have no way of checking these numbers if you keep your sources hidden.
I'll believe you when you state that the US gives more foreign aid than any other country. And I'll explain to you why they need to give even more!!!
CIA fact book:
"The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $37,800"
From globalissues.org:
"When the world's governments met at the Earth summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992, they adopted a programme for action under the auspices of the United Nations -- Agenda 21. Amongst other things, this included an Official Development Assistance (ODA) aid target of 0.7% of gross national product (GNP) for rich nations, roughly 22 members of the OECD (Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development), known as the Development Assistance Committee (DAC)."
And from the same page at
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp?so=c#ForeignAidNumbersinChartsandGraphs
you can see how well the 22 richest country have done to reach the goal that was agreed on. At the bottom you will find that the US are by far the WORST performer of the 22 richest nations. HELLO? Does that register?
The same article goes on to say that the Americans give more to charity than their government, but also states that these numbers are uncomparible with other countries:
"Unfortunately I have found it very difficult to find comparative figures for private donations from other regions."
I also like the anecdote about Bill Gates' massive donation of $100 million to India over ten years to fight AIDS there.The question remains which of the 'donations' will have the best ROI. Perhaps more of your corporate 'charitable donations' need to be booked as 'investments'.
Of course I have given up that this will sink in, but the way you pervert the truth demands a counterpost with some actual facts in it. Now if you can't handle it all you can do several things:
1) insult me even more
2) start crying that you want the post to be on topic. In that case you got to tell me what you think about "Support Peace! What can WE do....??"
3) start using your brain and listen
roibm said:
just couldn't refrain yourself from US-bashing, could you?
well, ignorance is the blessing for you.
I'm through with this thread. I'm kicking myself for jumping in to begin with. My references were from:
"Fairness and Redistribution - America vs. Europe" (2002). Alberto Alesina, Harvard; George Marios Angeletos, MIT
"Why Doesn't the U.S. Have a European-Style Welfare State" (2001). Harvard Institute of Economic Research
If you cant find them online, e-mail me, and I'll send them to you, but be polite, or I won't respond.
Furthermore, I've never insulted anyone on this site, but your posts are full of insulting and patronizing remarks.
It goes on in every post of yours.
I'm done.
"Fairness and Redistribution - America vs. Europe" (2002). Alberto Alesina, Harvard; George Marios Angeletos, MIT
"Why Doesn't the U.S. Have a European-Style Welfare State" (2001). Harvard Institute of Economic Research
If you cant find them online, e-mail me, and I'll send them to you, but be polite, or I won't respond.
Furthermore, I've never insulted anyone on this site, but your posts are full of insulting and patronizing remarks.
Hans L said:
Hans L said:
Hans L said:
It goes on in every post of yours.
I'm done.
I'm pretty much through with replying to insulting posts with new insulting posts. Some of the skulls here seem particularly thick this year and other poster seem to be of a much more mellow and thoughtfull spirit but still have a way of disguising it when US vs. the rest of the world is brought up. I still think the US is not being accountable for its actions. I don't have a clue how the Iraq situation can be solved, let alone the entire Middle East region. At least Isreal seems to be making a few steps forward recently.
We, the UN, and particularly the US, are obligated to give Iraq a kickstart back up on its feet. If the economy won't improve, it will feed the radical elements and then only God knows what the longterm implicataions of this war will be. My idea of the future isn't too pretty, but maybe that's just me being cynical.
As far as the topic goes:
Pride, greed and ignorancy are a sure way to prevent peace.
We, the UN, and particularly the US, are obligated to give Iraq a kickstart back up on its feet. If the economy won't improve, it will feed the radical elements and then only God knows what the longterm implicataions of this war will be. My idea of the future isn't too pretty, but maybe that's just me being cynical.
As far as the topic goes:
Pride, greed and ignorancy are a sure way to prevent peace.
Originally posted by Hans L
Read the flippin headlines: MONEY is MISSING. 20 BILLION DOLLAR according to Chrsitian Aid. But I'm beginning to doubt your intellectual skills to evaluate just how much trouble it is to misplace that much money.
Did you actually read th christian aid report. I did and they have a lot of facts and figures but none of them actually come close to explaining what 20 bilion is missing they only explain about 2 billion that they think might be missing but they don't have a very convincing explaination for that . They need to get a little more evidence before making claims that 20 billion is missing. I would agree that the accounting procedures are poor and things are chaotic but what do you expect?
Read the flippin headlines: MONEY is MISSING. 20 BILLION DOLLAR according to Chrsitian Aid. But I'm beginning to doubt your intellectual skills to evaluate just how much trouble it is to misplace that much money.
Did you actually read th christian aid report. I did and they have a lot of facts and figures but none of them actually come close to explaining what 20 bilion is missing they only explain about 2 billion that they think might be missing but they don't have a very convincing explaination for that . They need to get a little more evidence before making claims that 20 billion is missing. I would agree that the accounting procedures are poor and things are chaotic but what do you expect?
roibm said:
Here is the fundamental difference between the American Government and most of the European nations:
Most of you believe that your government owes you a cretin quality of life, where as we believe that the quality of life is up to the individual, you see in a truly free country you control your destiny and life quality, not the government.
If you leave charity in the hands of a corrupt government (any government) then charity ceases to do it’s good works. When you give for the right reason, out of the true kindness of your heart, directly to someone who is in need then you not only help the needy, but yourself, and the needy will rise up (many will) and learn from this kindness to help themselves. The Government way is to collect money from all those who work hard and give it to those who are to lazy to work or don’t care to because they can get a free handout, this version perpetuates more social problems and causes those who give to despise and those who receive to not appreciate. These are the 2 sides our government has grown into as of recent, the Democrats who want a more European wasteful (socialized) handout system, and the Republicans who believe closer to the idea that this countries government was founded on; that is to levy taxes for the sole reason to muster an army to protect our people, friends and self interest. In return for this opportunity to make commerce in this great system we give back to the government in the form of sales taxes to help our local cities and governments provide better road’s, sewage, ect... Of coarse this is a simplified version, and now is far more complex, but the idea of a socialist style government is against every definition I know of freedom, and none have worked to date, all have serious immediate side effects, and the long term effects is total collapse of government, just ask the USSR.
So really you are bragging about the Europeans biggest liability, which is the move to socialism. Truly you don’t know freedom if you live and prefer this type of government, no wonder we don’t see eye to eye, no wonder we have a much deeper appreciation and care for freedom and wish others to have it as well.
It seems you had the same idea as I did.Lusso5 said:
You could also interprete my stinging choice of words as an expression of frustration over the high number of glorifying post about the US which are merely given to make the US look superior again and again and again. Usually disregarding any statements made otherwise.
That's rather convenient after I refuted most of your facts. You could have responded with respect to the content.
Really, I guess I missed those, I've read every post since the start of this thread, and I have not seen one of these posts glorifying America. On the contrary, an overwhelming amount of posts have been dedicated to bashing America and Americans, the only post that could be considered pro-American are those that were posted to rebut the USA bashers who blame all the worlds problems on us while audaciously claming perfection.. Maybe you could point me to these posts that glorify America, I would love to see them, I'll be waiting.
If you can’t find any then maybe you should retract your statement, because you most certainly have been rude and disrespectful.
roibm said:
save your love for yourself. you will need it, robbie.
Hans L said:
the content? what content, Handie?
It is simply a collection of random words out of a keyboard.
Hans L said:
well, Hansie, they are just telling you the truth. If it hurts, tough luck, Hansie.
I read a reserach report today on Nokia (they just reported their quarterly earnings today and are hurting very very badly because of global competition, especially from the "lowly" Korean competitors that Nokia dismissed a few years ago as "non factor"). The report used the term "nokia symptom" to describe business complacency so fatal that it killed a world class leader in a couple short years.
Not to mention Ericsson, 🙂
If the Europeans never realize where they are in the pecking order, and face the reality, they will be doomed to be at the bottom of the barrel forever.
The same holds for everyone as well.
millwood said:
Even if 10% is true, it's still very bad....
And this was just one article out of hundreds. Not only ex-prisoners have told their stories, but also people from the army.
Anyway. I really don't doubt that violence and torture is going on in those places. It's normal. They need information, and they are willing to do anything to get it.
I don't need proof. You have to be a blind idiot to think that everything is ok in those prisons.
millwood said:
We can make a long list of US failures to. They have been making very unreliable cars for many decades... Only now, that they have moved most of their plants to mexico and the far east, things are getting a little better.
Until a few years ago, no one in europe dared to drive a US car, because only pimps drove them 🙂
and the list goes on and on.....
US does not equal quality in the eyes of Europeans.... And it doesn't to smart consumers in te US either. They drive german or japanese cars.
Reminds me of that great Frank Zappa song "Flakes". About how most americans keep buying expensive **** that brakes all the time.
kingdaddy said:
but in reality ofcourse, you don't....
So essentialy, the american system is made for egoistic persons, who don't give a **** for other people. That is what you are saying.
If you are one of the weak people in society, well then that's just bad luck for you. Don't expect the governments help boy!
Then why are there so many needy in your society? Don't they deserve your kindness? Are they maybe black? no christians?
Sorry but any sane perosn knows that your system is not, and will never work. It just makes some smart guys very rich, and most of the others stay at the bottom.
This is typical rightwing crap from someone who never had a hard time surviving.
If you don't have a job, then you must be lazy.... yeah right!
BS!!!
You are blind to the misery of other people. You have a nice life, and want to keep it that way. And all the other's got what the reserve right?
HELP! someone, please shut this person up!
You make archie bunker look like a leftwing sissy!
And, a few posts back you were saying that you've never seen a post glorifiyng america 🙂
about every post you write is one....
anyway. If you reread the last weeks posts, then you will see, that there are a few intelligent americans here that have moderate views on the subject.
I'm willing to talk with those guys.
Millwood and kingdaddy however are different.
Millwood mainly has nbothing to say and acts like a little kid, avoiding every question, because he really has nothing interesting to say. An Kingdaddy is an extreme fundamentalist. The s
kingdaddy said:
but in reality ofcourse, you don't....
So essentialy, the american system is made for egoistic persons, who don't give a **** for other people. That is what you are saying.
If you are one of the weak people in society, well then that's just bad luck for you. Don't expect the governments help boy!
Then why are there so many needy in your society? Don't they deserve your kindness? Are they maybe black? not christians?
Sorry but any sane person knows that your system is not, and will never work. It just makes some smart guys very rich, and most of the others stay at the bottom.
This is typical rightwing crap from someone who never had a hard time surviving.
If you don't have a job, then you must be lazy.... yeah right!
BS!!!
You are blind to the misery of other people. You have a nice life, and want to keep it that way. And all the other's got what they deserve right?
HELP! someone, please shut this person up!
You make archie bunker look like a leftwing sissy!
And, a few posts back you were saying that you've never seen a post glorifiyng america 🙂
about every post you write is one....
anyway. If you reread the last weeks posts, then you will see, that there are intelligent americans here that have moderate views on the subject.
I'm willing to talk with those guys anyday.
Millwood and kingdaddy however are different.
Millwood mainly has nothing to say and acts like a little kid, avoiding every question, because he really has nothing interesting to say. And Kingdaddy is an extreme fundamentalist. The same kind of person like Bin Laden. Just a different religion.
So I want to ask the sane persons on this forum (the majority I think) to not answer any of those guys posts in the future. I know, it will be hard, because they are really good in writing anoying things, but be stong!
Really, it's a waste of time....
Why would you say something like that?kingdaddy said:
For me at least freedom doesn't mean more money(what less taxes actually means). For me freedom means more free days, more time to spend with the family, understanding when you are sick, help for those who need it when they need it.
I do hate those that exploit this system, begging for money instead of looking for jobs, but they are not many compared to those that really need the money they receive.
I call freedom the possibility to get several days off from work any time there is a family emergency without having your salary cut(that days will be deducted from the holiday days).
I call freedom the possibility to stay home when sick, without fear for losing your job(still the ones that do this on purpose, won't get far away with this). This is what I call understanding.
I call freedom the possibility to get GOOD education without paying huge fees. Altho I am against those who need 6 years to finish their college when 4-4.5 is enough. I dearly look forward for higher taxes after the 4'th year.
And to tell you the truth, I feel better when I know there are less people starving because of the higher social taxes. I also feel better to know the people are getting enough money to live when they go jobless.
So, what freedom means for me is not necessarily the same as what it means for you.
Hi Woody,millwood said:
after posting 4 or 5 times, you finally got my attention for writing my name wrong. It's Hansie for all my close personal antagonists. Do mind your spelling in the future, will you? It's terribly rude to misspell someones name.
Oh, almost forgot: 🙂
Something to think about...
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/
Dark painting, as we say in german? I don't know.
Cheers
Tino
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/
Dark painting, as we say in german? I don't know.
Cheers
Tino
Re: Something to think about...
Intereting site. Thanks for sharing.
"HERE'S WHERE WE ARE - 43% our economy today is dependent on government spending & control"
Getting closer to the one company economy? Not really, but the movement is towards that(any way you look at it).
And I hoped COOP-like companies are doomed... hmmm
zinsula said:
Intereting site. Thanks for sharing.
"HERE'S WHERE WE ARE - 43% our economy today is dependent on government spending & control"
Getting closer to the one company economy? Not really, but the movement is towards that(any way you look at it).
And I hoped COOP-like companies are doomed... hmmm
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