From that wicked tool of American propaganda, the Guardian:
Dr B Khalaf
Friday February 14, 2003
The Guardian
I write this to protest against all those people who oppose the war against Saddam Hussein, or as they call it, the "war against Iraq". I am an Iraqi doctor, I worked in the Iraqi army for six years during Iraq-Iran war and four months during Gulf war. All my family still live in Iraq. I am an Arab Sunni, not Kurdish or Shia. I am an ordinary Iraqi not involved with the Iraqi opposition outside Iraq.
I am so frustrated by the appalling views of most of the British people, media and politicians. I want to say to all these people who are against the possible war, that if you think by doing so you are serving the interests of Iraqi people or saving them, you are not. You are effectively saving Saddam. You are depriving the Iraqi people of probably their last real chance get rid of him and to get out of this dark era in their history.
My family and almost all Iraqi families will feel hurt and anger when Saddam's media shows on the TV, with great happiness, parts of Saturday's demonstration in London. But where were you when thousands of Iraqi people were killed by Saddam's forces at the end of the Gulf war to crush the uprising? Only now when the war is to reach Saddam has everybody become so concerned about the human life in Iraq.
Where were you while Saddam has been killing thousands of Iraqis since the early 70s? And where are you are now, given that every week he executes people through the "court of revolution", a summary secret court run by the secret security office. Most of its sentences are executions which Saddam himself signs.
I could argue one by one against your reasons for opposing this war. But just ask yourselves why, out of about 500,000 Iraqis in Britain, you will not find even 1,000 of them participating tomorrow? Your anti-war campaign has become mass hysteria and you are no longer able to see things properly.
Locum consultant neurologist, London
(NB The Guardian is a left-leaning paper in the UK, which usually doesn't have much good to say about the US.)
Dr B Khalaf
Friday February 14, 2003
The Guardian
I write this to protest against all those people who oppose the war against Saddam Hussein, or as they call it, the "war against Iraq". I am an Iraqi doctor, I worked in the Iraqi army for six years during Iraq-Iran war and four months during Gulf war. All my family still live in Iraq. I am an Arab Sunni, not Kurdish or Shia. I am an ordinary Iraqi not involved with the Iraqi opposition outside Iraq.
I am so frustrated by the appalling views of most of the British people, media and politicians. I want to say to all these people who are against the possible war, that if you think by doing so you are serving the interests of Iraqi people or saving them, you are not. You are effectively saving Saddam. You are depriving the Iraqi people of probably their last real chance get rid of him and to get out of this dark era in their history.
My family and almost all Iraqi families will feel hurt and anger when Saddam's media shows on the TV, with great happiness, parts of Saturday's demonstration in London. But where were you when thousands of Iraqi people were killed by Saddam's forces at the end of the Gulf war to crush the uprising? Only now when the war is to reach Saddam has everybody become so concerned about the human life in Iraq.
Where were you while Saddam has been killing thousands of Iraqis since the early 70s? And where are you are now, given that every week he executes people through the "court of revolution", a summary secret court run by the secret security office. Most of its sentences are executions which Saddam himself signs.
I could argue one by one against your reasons for opposing this war. But just ask yourselves why, out of about 500,000 Iraqis in Britain, you will not find even 1,000 of them participating tomorrow? Your anti-war campaign has become mass hysteria and you are no longer able to see things properly.
Locum consultant neurologist, London
(NB The Guardian is a left-leaning paper in the UK, which usually doesn't have much good to say about the US.)
Hugo
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Lisandro_P said:
W holds up receipt, and as the camera zooms in we read the manufacturer's label
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Increasingly Lukewarm Support
From today's NY Times Online. For full article, you must complete free registration. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/14/politics/14POLL.html
Poll Shows Most Want War Delay
By PATRICK E. TYLER and JANET ELDER
Even after the administration's aggressive case for going to war soon in Iraq, a majority of Americans favor giving United Nations weapons inspectors more time to complete their work so that any military operation wins the support of the Security Council, the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll shows.
The public supports a war to remove Saddam Hussein. But Americans are split over whether the Bush administration and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell have made a convincing case for going to war right now, even though much of the public is inclined to believe that Iraq and Al Qaeda are connected in terrorism.
The poll found that while the economy still commands the greatest concern among Americans, the prospect of combat in Iraq, fear of terrorism and the North Korean nuclear standoff are stirring additional anxieties.
These worries may be taking a toll on Mr. Bush's support. His overall job approval rating is down to 54 percent from 64 percent just a month ago, the lowest level since the summer before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Three-quarters of Americans see war as inevitable, and two-thirds approve of war as an option. But many people continue to be deeply ambivalent about war if faced with the prospect of high casualties or a lengthy occupation of Iraq that further damages the American economy. Twenty-nine percent of respondents in the poll, which was conducted Monday through Wednesday, disapprove of taking military action against Iraq.
With major decisions of war and peace still pending, 59 percent of Americans said they believed the president should give the United Nations more time. Sixty-three percent said Washington should not act without the support of its allies, and 56 percent said Mr. Bush should wait for United Nations approval.
From today's NY Times Online. For full article, you must complete free registration. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/14/politics/14POLL.html
Poll Shows Most Want War Delay
By PATRICK E. TYLER and JANET ELDER
Even after the administration's aggressive case for going to war soon in Iraq, a majority of Americans favor giving United Nations weapons inspectors more time to complete their work so that any military operation wins the support of the Security Council, the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll shows.
The public supports a war to remove Saddam Hussein. But Americans are split over whether the Bush administration and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell have made a convincing case for going to war right now, even though much of the public is inclined to believe that Iraq and Al Qaeda are connected in terrorism.
The poll found that while the economy still commands the greatest concern among Americans, the prospect of combat in Iraq, fear of terrorism and the North Korean nuclear standoff are stirring additional anxieties.
These worries may be taking a toll on Mr. Bush's support. His overall job approval rating is down to 54 percent from 64 percent just a month ago, the lowest level since the summer before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Three-quarters of Americans see war as inevitable, and two-thirds approve of war as an option. But many people continue to be deeply ambivalent about war if faced with the prospect of high casualties or a lengthy occupation of Iraq that further damages the American economy. Twenty-nine percent of respondents in the poll, which was conducted Monday through Wednesday, disapprove of taking military action against Iraq.
With major decisions of war and peace still pending, 59 percent of Americans said they believed the president should give the United Nations more time. Sixty-three percent said Washington should not act without the support of its allies, and 56 percent said Mr. Bush should wait for United Nations approval.
As Scotty in Star Trek once said,
"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phasor bank."
Only the threat of war is forcing Saddam to open up, and as others have said, no one ever cared one wit for the Iraqi people when Saddam was slicing and dicing his people simple because they disagreed with him. It may make you feel good to say you hate war, and this is what these wicked dictators want. Saddam is playing you as fools and laughing at you.
Does he really have WMD? I don't know. Is he fit to be a leader? Of course not. But if the US backs down due to world pressure, while you are sleeping all happy and comfy and proud of what you accomplished, millions of Iraqis will still live in oppression and, thanks to your lofty ideals, will have seen what may be their last chance for freedom destroyed. Is this what you want? You may make fun of the US for standing up for the principle that all men are created equal and wanting to help others obtain freedom, but all you are doing is trying to ensure continued oppression. Saddam knows that if he converts to a democracy he will be tried and hanged by his own people, so he will never let go of power.
So, if you want continued oppression for those living under dictators, continue to push for more diplomacy and stalling. Think about it. Most all of the worlds major problems are caused by non-democratic governments. What is so wrong about wanting all people of the world to live in freedom? Is that not worth fighting for? For many who claim to love peace, I guess not. All you antiware protesters, sleep well tonght, for millions of Iraqis, North Koreans, etc. are not, and you are destroying any hope they may have of living as free men and women.
"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phasor bank."
Only the threat of war is forcing Saddam to open up, and as others have said, no one ever cared one wit for the Iraqi people when Saddam was slicing and dicing his people simple because they disagreed with him. It may make you feel good to say you hate war, and this is what these wicked dictators want. Saddam is playing you as fools and laughing at you.
Does he really have WMD? I don't know. Is he fit to be a leader? Of course not. But if the US backs down due to world pressure, while you are sleeping all happy and comfy and proud of what you accomplished, millions of Iraqis will still live in oppression and, thanks to your lofty ideals, will have seen what may be their last chance for freedom destroyed. Is this what you want? You may make fun of the US for standing up for the principle that all men are created equal and wanting to help others obtain freedom, but all you are doing is trying to ensure continued oppression. Saddam knows that if he converts to a democracy he will be tried and hanged by his own people, so he will never let go of power.
So, if you want continued oppression for those living under dictators, continue to push for more diplomacy and stalling. Think about it. Most all of the worlds major problems are caused by non-democratic governments. What is so wrong about wanting all people of the world to live in freedom? Is that not worth fighting for? For many who claim to love peace, I guess not. All you antiware protesters, sleep well tonght, for millions of Iraqis, North Koreans, etc. are not, and you are destroying any hope they may have of living as free men and women.
Re: Re: people
Now, Now,Now!
Even the orignal scientist, that originaly brought this up has said He was WRONG(not incorrect, not misstaken, WRONG!) about this effect. I am involved(As a hobby) in this type of study, and have read many reports about the lack of credable evidence for Man making much difference in global temprature changes. Co2 or whatever else We put in the air.
(1) It's Tall Shadow.
(2) The overall Global temprature is NOT rising, It's falling.(Read above, think 2,5, and 10,000 year cycles)
(3) We are cleaning up. We have strict guidelines as for what We can or can't put into the air. Look around Your Own backyard, Not Mine.
(4) We pay for everything We are using. I thought that When someone bought something that They were intitled to use it, I guess that in Your part of the world that is not true, How sad! 🙁
Get Over it.
Nuff Said.
Why would We sign a treaty that We didn't agree with??
Would You?
After reading Your posts sir, I think You need to recheck Your dictionary.
More that You could ever imagine.
Nope, We got rid of that one. He was to much like Your leaders for Our liking. The Man We have now knows what needs to be done.
Very true uli, We do have some mush-brains that don't support Our President, but We try not to make fun of the mentaly challanged.
Uli, You really should read about Our goverment system BEFORE You go and speak out about what You don't understand. The votes were counted, re-counted, and counted again by several group of people. The outcome was the same. The Man who is in Office, should be in office.
Oh, like England?, or Italy?, or Germany?, or France?, or Belgium?
Yes I see!, What were We thinking?
He was right. Why shouldn't he feel this way? Several world leaders have said that Their goal was to kill every American Man, Woman, and Child. Why wouldn't a person take this as a threat?
Oh! I forgot! the "Cowboys" wear the big hats, Right?
Can You say Robbert Goddard?
I also didn't say that it was an American invention, Just that We could actualy Make it to the Moon. With a large helping hand from Mr. Von Braun & Team.
I for one would/do fight agains the "Bad Americans" every chance I can.
"Mad Man President?" I don't see the idea of ridding the world of Our mutuial enemy, as being "Mad" unless You would like to have "Our good Friend" Saddam living/running Your country?
Based, Yes.
Nothing New.... It's Totaly New, That's the point.
One Is better, Guess which one I'd pick?
Things would be better >IF< We did teach the >proper< use of Firearms in school. Instead We teach Political Correctness and Passivness, slipping down the drain tward Ruin with every school year.
Just as wishing away the wolf, does not make Him go away.
You shouldn't.
You need new interests.
Trust the Communists, It worked out well enough before right?
No Problem, Excues My typing! 😉
But it all comes down to Who You trust.
I'm going with a country with a known (Good) track record.
(cont.)
Maxwell said:
Now, Now,Now!
Even the orignal scientist, that originaly brought this up has said He was WRONG(not incorrect, not misstaken, WRONG!) about this effect. I am involved(As a hobby) in this type of study, and have read many reports about the lack of credable evidence for Man making much difference in global temprature changes. Co2 or whatever else We put in the air.
(1) It's Tall Shadow.
(2) The overall Global temprature is NOT rising, It's falling.(Read above, think 2,5, and 10,000 year cycles)
(3) We are cleaning up. We have strict guidelines as for what We can or can't put into the air. Look around Your Own backyard, Not Mine.
(4) We pay for everything We are using. I thought that When someone bought something that They were intitled to use it, I guess that in Your part of the world that is not true, How sad! 🙁
Get Over it.
Nuff Said.
fedde said:
Why would We sign a treaty that We didn't agree with??
Would You?
joe dick said:
After reading Your posts sir, I think You need to recheck Your dictionary.
uli said:
Hi Joe,
do You really think that a shadow can be satiric????????????????
Uli
More that You could ever imagine.
joe dick said:
Nope, We got rid of that one. He was to much like Your leaders for Our liking. The Man We have now knows what needs to be done.
uli said:
Very true uli, We do have some mush-brains that don't support Our President, but We try not to make fun of the mentaly challanged.
Uli, You really should read about Our goverment system BEFORE You go and speak out about what You don't understand. The votes were counted, re-counted, and counted again by several group of people. The outcome was the same. The Man who is in Office, should be in office.
Oh, like England?, or Italy?, or Germany?, or France?, or Belgium?
Yes I see!, What were We thinking?
He was right. Why shouldn't he feel this way? Several world leaders have said that Their goal was to kill every American Man, Woman, and Child. Why wouldn't a person take this as a threat?
Oh! I forgot! the "Cowboys" wear the big hats, Right?
Can You say Robbert Goddard?
I also didn't say that it was an American invention, Just that We could actualy Make it to the Moon. With a large helping hand from Mr. Von Braun & Team.
till said:
I for one would/do fight agains the "Bad Americans" every chance I can.
"Mad Man President?" I don't see the idea of ridding the world of Our mutuial enemy, as being "Mad" unless You would like to have "Our good Friend" Saddam living/running Your country?
Based, Yes.
Nothing New.... It's Totaly New, That's the point.
One Is better, Guess which one I'd pick?
Things would be better >IF< We did teach the >proper< use of Firearms in school. Instead We teach Political Correctness and Passivness, slipping down the drain tward Ruin with every school year.
Just as wishing away the wolf, does not make Him go away.
You shouldn't.
You need new interests.
Trust the Communists, It worked out well enough before right?
No Problem, Excues My typing! 😉
mermoz said:
But it all comes down to Who You trust.
I'm going with a country with a known (Good) track record.
(cont.)
Bush will go to war!
If he doesn’t, he will keep losing popularity.
The economy will turn down even more.
Wall street, like all financial markets need stability and if Bush would be indecisive
now he would give Saddam the biggest victory he could think of.
Today the world has the opportunity to go on the street and protest against war.
In America alone there will be millions of people in more than 100 cities protesting against W.
Worldwide we will see protest in more than 600 countries.
I think today is THE protest day against stupidity of war!
It would be nice if we wouldn’t see too many posts here today.
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=725
/Hugo
If he doesn’t, he will keep losing popularity.
The economy will turn down even more.
Wall street, like all financial markets need stability and if Bush would be indecisive
now he would give Saddam the biggest victory he could think of.
Today the world has the opportunity to go on the street and protest against war.
In America alone there will be millions of people in more than 100 cities protesting against W.
Worldwide we will see protest in more than 600 countries.
I think today is THE protest day against stupidity of war!
It would be nice if we wouldn’t see too many posts here today.
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=725
/Hugo
Re: Re: Re: people
SATIRE 1. a literary work in which vices, follies, ETC. are held up to ridicule and contempt.
2. the use of ridicule, sarcasm, irony, etc to attack vices, follies. ETC.
you are correct. your posts can be called neither literature nor especially literate. ETC stands for et cetera. feel free to look it up.
enjoy your war.
Tall Shadow said:
SATIRE 1. a literary work in which vices, follies, ETC. are held up to ridicule and contempt.
2. the use of ridicule, sarcasm, irony, etc to attack vices, follies. ETC.
you are correct. your posts can be called neither literature nor especially literate. ETC stands for et cetera. feel free to look it up.
enjoy your war.
7V,
i must admit that i find it very difficult to argue with those who take a reasoned, reasoning and reasonable approach to the situation in iraq and still, albeit reluctantly, decide that war is the only option. how can i? though i don`t necessarily agree with you i must respect an opinion that is presented thoughtfully and, frankly, has as much validity as my own. no one can say what the best course of action is when the best we can do is learn as much as we can about the situation and then follow the dictates of our respective consciences.
dale
i must admit that i find it very difficult to argue with those who take a reasoned, reasoning and reasonable approach to the situation in iraq and still, albeit reluctantly, decide that war is the only option. how can i? though i don`t necessarily agree with you i must respect an opinion that is presented thoughtfully and, frankly, has as much validity as my own. no one can say what the best course of action is when the best we can do is learn as much as we can about the situation and then follow the dictates of our respective consciences.
dale
Well said, joe dick.
It's not so black and white is it? Even if we knew all of the facts it still wouldn't be easy to make the best decision.
Maybe we'd be better off sticking pins in effigies of Sadam Hussein. With enough combined energy and a good likeness ... Mind you, I would imagine that many members here would make a Bush effigy and quite a few, Blair, Chirac or Schroeder.
If Bush now does delay before launching an attack, it will be largely down to the influence of his "poodle" Blair. Is this a case of the ' tail wagging the dog'?
Steve
It's not so black and white is it? Even if we knew all of the facts it still wouldn't be easy to make the best decision.
Maybe we'd be better off sticking pins in effigies of Sadam Hussein. With enough combined energy and a good likeness ... Mind you, I would imagine that many members here would make a Bush effigy and quite a few, Blair, Chirac or Schroeder.
If Bush now does delay before launching an attack, it will be largely down to the influence of his "poodle" Blair. Is this a case of the ' tail wagging the dog'?
Steve
This exercise to understand what´s called a troll in the USA.
troll<=>tallshadow
Megatroll <=> GWB.
mush-brains?
Woody Allen, Sean Penn, Dustin Hoffman, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen, Tim Robbins, Ed Asner, Marisa Tomei, Danny Glover, Kim Basinger, Helen Hunt, Olympia Dukakis, Woody Harrelson, Jonathan Demme,...
http://www.notinourname.net/
This dark shadow´s posting smells like Mc Carthy - no it smells like Fascism.
Bush won the election at courthouse. People posting that nonsense i don´t belive can count.
troll<=>tallshadow
Megatroll <=> GWB.
mush-brains?
Woody Allen, Sean Penn, Dustin Hoffman, Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen, Tim Robbins, Ed Asner, Marisa Tomei, Danny Glover, Kim Basinger, Helen Hunt, Olympia Dukakis, Woody Harrelson, Jonathan Demme,...
http://www.notinourname.net/
This dark shadow´s posting smells like Mc Carthy - no it smells like Fascism.
Bush won the election at courthouse. People posting that nonsense i don´t belive can count.
Uli:
Please be careful what you include between quotation marks. If you run Tall Shadow's quotes together, plus your answer to those quotes, then you get a situation where it appears to the reader that Tall Shadow is saying things when in fact some words were written by yourself in answer to him.
I know it is not easy to do multiple quotation boxes, but it really is necessary to do so to keep your words from being mixed in with those of the member you are answering.
Please be careful what you include between quotation marks. If you run Tall Shadow's quotes together, plus your answer to those quotes, then you get a situation where it appears to the reader that Tall Shadow is saying things when in fact some words were written by yourself in answer to him.
I know it is not easy to do multiple quotation boxes, but it really is necessary to do so to keep your words from being mixed in with those of the member you are answering.
kelticwizard,
i wouldn`t have a clue how to do this, either. is it written in an faq somewhere? thanks for any help.
i wouldn`t have a clue how to do this, either. is it written in an faq somewhere? thanks for any help.
joe dick said:
joe dick,
Have a look at this previous post. Hope it helps. Feel free to email if I can help more.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=117450#post117450
Cheers
Joe Dick:
I will try the step-by-step approach.
This box will be quoted in parts.
Part A:
AAAAAAAAAA
Part B:
BBBBBBBBBB
Part C:
CCCCCCCCCC
Part D:
DDDDDDDDDD
I will use this post to illustrate.
I will try the step-by-step approach.
This box will be quoted in parts.
Part A:
AAAAAAAAAA
Part B:
BBBBBBBBBB
Part C:
CCCCCCCCCC
Part D:
DDDDDDDDDD
I will use this post to illustrate.
Okay, let's just say that you want to reply ONLY to parts A, B, C and D.
First, run your cursor over the first part of the post-NOT over the part that begins "quote"in square brackets, [ ]-the first part of the text. Then delete it.
Second, run your cursor over the part that starts "originally posted by kelticwizard" and press CTRL-C. That copies it.
Go to the part where it says Part A, and press CTRL-V. That writes the beginning of the quote marks for you.
Write your response to Part A. Then close with "/quote" in square brackets, [ ].
Third, go the beginning of Part B. Paste again. Write your response to Part B. Then close with [/quote]
Fourth, go to the beginning of part C. Paste again. Write your response to Part C. Close again [/quote].
Fifth, go to the beginning of Part D. Paste again. Write your response to Part D. Close with [/quote].
This illustration might help. Sorry about bluish color. MSPaint doesn't do GIF files that well.
My next post-after Tall Shadow's message-will show you what it looks like once you do this.
First, run your cursor over the first part of the post-NOT over the part that begins "quote"in square brackets, [ ]-the first part of the text. Then delete it.
Second, run your cursor over the part that starts "originally posted by kelticwizard" and press CTRL-C. That copies it.
Go to the part where it says Part A, and press CTRL-V. That writes the beginning of the quote marks for you.
Write your response to Part A. Then close with "/quote" in square brackets, [ ].
Third, go the beginning of Part B. Paste again. Write your response to Part B. Then close with [/quote]
Fourth, go to the beginning of part C. Paste again. Write your response to Part C. Close again [/quote].
Fifth, go to the beginning of Part D. Paste again. Write your response to Part D. Close with [/quote].
This illustration might help. Sorry about bluish color. MSPaint doesn't do GIF files that well.
My next post-after Tall Shadow's message-will show you what it looks like once you do this.
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