Is this latest now on the superreg, 1:10 probe? Appears to be LSB toggling.
The interference you showed may have been from a light dimmer.
Jan
The interference you showed may have been from a light dimmer.
Jan
1:10 probe indeed with DC coupling. To be honest I don't know if I'm measuring anything useful at a 10 nS scale. Scope shows about the same with probe connected to nothing. Super reg is totally unshielded, who knows what the scope might pick up? I guess I expected more of a flat line with AC coupling given the specs of the super reg. But it might also be the scope picking up al kinds of external interference (wifi, computer running, mobile devices). The max sensitivity of my scope is 2mV/div, super reg should have way less noise than that, shouldn't it?
Anyway, I was looking for possible oscillation, I guess I didn't see that. DC coupled, I scrolled throught the entire time base of the scope and the line stayed flat (at 10V/div, that is).
Anyway, I was looking for possible oscillation, I guess I didn't see that. DC coupled, I scrolled throught the entire time base of the scope and the line stayed flat (at 10V/div, that is).
It's not easy to measure this sort of thing. I usually use a piece of coax soldered directly to the SR output and with a BNC on the other end.
At those sensitivities, you find out that the world is full of noise and pulses from all those appliances and light dimmers around.
You definitely have no oscillations.
Jan
At those sensitivities, you find out that the world is full of noise and pulses from all those appliances and light dimmers around.
You definitely have no oscillations.
Jan
Hi Jan,
thank you for your answers. I will leave it for now (busy week ahead). Then start building the second one.
thank you for your answers. I will leave it for now (busy week ahead). Then start building the second one.
I forgot to order 2,5v zeners 😕 I wonder if a green Kingbright led will work just as well ?
The 15v +/- seems to be working just fine, now I'm building two 5v reg's so...
https://www.mouser.se/datasheet/2/216/WP2773GD-74185.pdf
The 15v +/- seems to be working just fine, now I'm building two 5v reg's so...
https://www.mouser.se/datasheet/2/216/WP2773GD-74185.pdf
Never mind, I tried it and it didn't work. They work just fine with 6,8v zeners though. 🙂
Except for the wrong voltage that is.
Except for the wrong voltage that is.
OK, so I built the second one. Voltages as expected. Then I decided to test it with the scope again and accidentally shorted the output of the pos reg with the probe. Small spark. Now the LED doesn't light up anymore. Any ideas as to which part would be dead? Opamp felt hot to the touch, so that one might still work.
Probably a profane question, but which output cables should be shielded? both sense cables? all cables?
Shielding cables has a very limited functionality as all impedances are very low.
But if the sense lines are a bit longish, it might be a good idea to screen those. Won't hurt.
Jan
But if the sense lines are a bit longish, it might be a good idea to screen those. Won't hurt.
Jan
Bump for my question about which part may be damaged after a short of the output. Desoldering components is not easy, so I'd like to keep that to a minimum. Any idea what to try or measure first?
I’d check the op amp first,
(bet you didn’t buy sockets and surface mount adaptars so it’s easy to do )
(bet you didn’t buy sockets and surface mount adaptars so it’s easy to do )
So what is the output voltage, what is the input voltage?
If the output voltage is not correct, measure both input voltages of the opamp against ground.
If the opamp works correctly, they should be the same. I bet they are not.
Is the LED on?
Jan
If the output voltage is not correct, measure both input voltages of the opamp against ground.
If the opamp works correctly, they should be the same. I bet they are not.
Is the LED on?
Jan
Thanks, I will measure today. Input voltage is around 32V. Output voltage was 0 after the short IIRC. LED was off.
Ok, so here are some measurements and observations; no load on the output.
LED = off
Vout = 26.6V; was 23.98 when it was working correctly (built for 24V)
Vin: power supply output = 32.8V, but when I connect it to the super reg, the input at the super reg measures 26.6, same as Vout.
Voltage at leg 2 of the opamp = 7.06V
Voltage at leg 3 of the opamp = 7.55V
Opamp gets hot very quick, so I measure quickly and then shut the PSU down.
Vref of the LM329 of this one was measured at 6.929V before it was assembled.
LED = off
Vout = 26.6V; was 23.98 when it was working correctly (built for 24V)
Vin: power supply output = 32.8V, but when I connect it to the super reg, the input at the super reg measures 26.6, same as Vout.
Voltage at leg 2 of the opamp = 7.06V
Voltage at leg 3 of the opamp = 7.55V
Opamp gets hot very quick, so I measure quickly and then shut the PSU down.
Vref of the LM329 of this one was measured at 6.929V before it was assembled.
If the output of the raw supply is 32.8 and the input at the supperreg is 26.6, what is there between the two absorbing the 6.2 difference?
Anyway, it appears that both the pass device and the opamp are gone.
I would replace the pass device first and then check again the opamp inputs.
Jan
Anyway, it appears that both the pass device and the opamp are gone.
I would replace the pass device first and then check again the opamp inputs.
Jan
That is the strange thing, there is nothing between PSU and super reg that could absorb 6.2V. The PSU has an umbilical that ends in an XLR connector (female; + - and 0). 32.8 V is measured at that connector between + and 0. I then plug it into a male XLR connector that is connected to the super reg (only + and 0 since it is the pos reg). And suddenly it measures 26.6V ???
Anyway, thanks for your help, I will start with the pass device and see if that helps. Any chance that the output capacitor is also damaged by the sudden discharge?
Anyway, thanks for your help, I will start with the pass device and see if that helps. Any chance that the output capacitor is also damaged by the sudden discharge?
Cap should be OK unless it was underrated for the 32.8V.
But do check the wiring - volts don't just disappear in thin air.
Maybe the primary supply collapses when yuou connect the superreg?
Jan
But do check the wiring - volts don't just disappear in thin air.
Maybe the primary supply collapses when yuou connect the superreg?
Jan
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