My God!, a very good argumentation, very good reasons!
And some true inside.
And you are rigth, in my point of view, Till.
But, as Jesus...you will be crucified.
And remenber...never came to my place!...you are a terrible natural leader...and knows how to persuade, are combative and sometimes too much strong.
Here, you will construct the foundations of the thousand years erst Southern Reich.....Brazilian Ubber Alles!... as beeing some leader, and my people is reaching someone like you.....be in German please!..... you will start a terrible confusion here, as many things are needing to be fixed and i am sure you will not shut your mouth!
You are the man to start the whole thing!
Do you remenber Halojoy...hehe....that's it...... that's your choice.
regards,
Carlos
And some true inside.
And you are rigth, in my point of view, Till.
But, as Jesus...you will be crucified.
And remenber...never came to my place!...you are a terrible natural leader...and knows how to persuade, are combative and sometimes too much strong.
Here, you will construct the foundations of the thousand years erst Southern Reich.....Brazilian Ubber Alles!... as beeing some leader, and my people is reaching someone like you.....be in German please!..... you will start a terrible confusion here, as many things are needing to be fixed and i am sure you will not shut your mouth!
You are the man to start the whole thing!
Do you remenber Halojoy...hehe....that's it...... that's your choice.
regards,
Carlos
be sure, i will come to Brazil, maybe next time i go to Buienos Aires i will visit you.... and we should invite halo. Some sun will be good for him. Must be dark in north sweden now - its not really bright over here now.
Beeing here Till, let me know, we gonna have some beer together,
And i will show you my entire town.
But you will promiss not to start some discurse.
Brazilien Ubber Alles...Brazil over the others...not good that...better that work for Americans....my people prefer to make love...not war.
regards,
Carlos
And i will show you my entire town.
But you will promiss not to start some discurse.
Brazilien Ubber Alles...Brazil over the others...not good that...better that work for Americans....my people prefer to make love...not war.
regards,
Carlos
Re: Beeing here Till, let me know, we gonna have some beer together,
down to earth with you: they also "enjoy" shooting each other a lot. actually, crime rate in br is very high. i'm really sorry about this, but the truth is indisputable.destroyer X said:
Re: Beeing here Till, let me know, we gonna have some beer together,
reminds me of the movie "Boys from Brazil" with Gregory Peck, Laurence Olivier and James Mason --
destroyer X said:
reminds me of the movie "Boys from Brazil" with Gregory Peck, Laurence Olivier and James Mason --
cunningham said:
Ahhh the poor man's warfare...Terrorism.
Keep this in mind... Terrorism is the poor man's warfare, just like Rape is the ugly man's courtship.
You did well to honestly assess what terrorism is. But with rape, the victim has not done a transgression to draw the attack. Terrorists are responding, though immorally, to past injustices like letting the Palestinians be treated as chattel, sponsoring the Shaw, and arming Iraq to war against Iran which actually did have a real grievance against us. I say that we definitely overstepped the line between justice and injustice by turning Iraq into terrorist bait for dishonest reasons. Given the stifling of warnings about the upcoming attack by Os Bin Lad it is not hard to think that government leaders may have facilitated the carrying out of the attack in some way or ways. Because something is shocking is not sufficient grounds to disbelieve it.
cunningham said:
Our mission in Iraq is not to bomb these people into the stone age with fuel-air bombs. If that was so, then Iraq and every Iraqi person would be a memory as of April 2003. Why do you think our Marines are on a street by street, house by house urban mission? That is a much more dangerous plan for our soldiers then just reducing Fallujah to rubble, which is a lot easier. There are a lot of people here that would have rather neutron bomb Fallujah, then the only challenge would be to pick up all the bodies before they rott and stink in the streets. Wouldn't even rubblize the city.Our soldiers would not have to be put in such danger then.
This largely true view is one that can be rationally derived from the information the GWB administration wants us to know and from realizing that an overly massive assault would draw active world opposition due to almost universal public outcry. Corporate heads of the media like Rupert Murdock back GWB, and they pressure the newscasters not to rock the boat and give the whole stories. Furthermore, insurmountable roadblocks keep journalists from getting a lot of information too.
One of the first things The GWB administration did in 2001 was to make secret the information about closed door proceedings. It also promoted the consolidation of the media to be run by corporate conglomerates favorable to the plan of disseminating US world influence.
One can bet discussions at those White House meetings are not about Sunday picnic plans. Given numerous real conspiracies like Watergate and Iran-Contra such secrecy leads to unsettling conclusions about unsavory dealings being devised. A likely agenda involves gaining control over Middle East oil as the influence over Saudi Arabian princes declines and the military bases in Saudi Arabia are closed down. That same scenario development may include discussion of how to strengthen the position of Israel in the Middle East.
cunningham said:
This view is conjecture which the White House needs voters to believe (true or not) to cause them to be afraid so that they will resist changing the path the GWB administration has put us on. Cheney said that if he lost the election that the US would be attacked again--scare mongering.
cunningham said:
Ones man's just administration of law may be another's tyranny. Our dealings with dictators, some who were trained here in the School of the Americas, which BTW has undergone a change to a new innocuous sounding name, are the types of black eyes plaguing us that we cannot see unless we look in a mirror.
Well, they did help the terrorists by ignoring all those reports. Whether knowingly or not, I don't know, but what I know is that those very events have helped the administration with iraq. Altho it was proven as a lie(by the very 9/11 commission) many people still believe there was a link between iraq and 9/11. Goes to prove just how blind how some of you are.subwo1 said:
Shocking? I'd call it crazy.
Let's set the following scenario: a big official at the time of 9/11 comes clean about what happened and goes public with it. He tells media that bush/others knew about the attacks. How would this guy be treated? I bet he would be declared crazy.
Not to say that cia being involved in this event cannot be ruled out. Let's say it's a 0.0(0)1 possibility, but it still is. Would a whistleblower ever be believed? I guess there goes your democracy(and ours...). All fine 'till something crazy enough to be believed. But, what if?
roibm said:
From the hands over eyes crowd, that whistle blower would figuratively be tarred and feathered. Also, whistle blowers are treated as traitors by the W Bush administration. That attitude of destroying someone who is standing up for truth is the opposite of for what America should stand.
You may recall that W has had close ties to the Saudi Royal family. He most certainly does not discuss _Winnie_the_Pooh with them. Didn't H Bush meet with a Bi Lad family member within a day or so prior to 9/II? Also, within a day of the attack, multiple tens of Bi Lad family members were swept out of the country on special flights while the airline industry was grounded.
subw01:
You obviously have seen Fahrenheit 911, and sadly believe it as fact. If what you believe is true then it's too late for any of us, we should just kill ourselves and hope the next world is a better place. Your comments make B.Vdbos look like rational remarks, maybe you should not believe everything you read and watch on TV, it's not logical that it's all a GWB conspiracy. Our government does not change that much from administration to administration, if any of this is true then it's been true for long before GWB got in office.
BTW Fahrenheit 911 is not a documentary, it’s a polemist’s opinion, and a very poor one at that.
You obviously have seen Fahrenheit 911, and sadly believe it as fact. If what you believe is true then it's too late for any of us, we should just kill ourselves and hope the next world is a better place. Your comments make B.Vdbos look like rational remarks, maybe you should not believe everything you read and watch on TV, it's not logical that it's all a GWB conspiracy. Our government does not change that much from administration to administration, if any of this is true then it's been true for long before GWB got in office.
BTW Fahrenheit 911 is not a documentary, it’s a polemist’s opinion, and a very poor one at that.
there is no next world, if this life is gone, the worms will eat you.
This is not the right way to handle reality.
That M.Moore film looks much nearer to reality than your goverments propaganda lies. About everything important they told turned out to be a lie.
kingdaddy
I have not actually seen it, but the evidence is just overwhelming in my eyes. It actually has been going on for a long time. The D's have their own program of world power brokering, but at least it is not so risky and militaristic. I plan to vote for Cobb or Nader, as things stand, next time.
I have often felt so fatalistic over the neoconservative agenda and the aggressive implementation of the Pr0gram f0r a New Qmerican Centjry, that I sorta just want to sit back and watch the country head down the tubes as the rest of the world reacts. China has stepped up intercepting oil suppliers by locking in agreements with other countries; the dollar is weakening as I think foreign debt holders dump their US securities--causing inflationary pressure, and immigration of brilliant minds is declining while ones here want to leave.
I find myself amazed by seeing the GWB adminstration telegraph their moves so openly. The hubris of it seems to be like hiding an unspoken agenda in plain sight. I just am a little foolish feeling to have been tricked into voting for him through religious manipulation in 2000. I was warned, but could not see. Now I regret that so many still seem not to be seeing. Best wishes.
I have not actually seen it, but the evidence is just overwhelming in my eyes. It actually has been going on for a long time. The D's have their own program of world power brokering, but at least it is not so risky and militaristic. I plan to vote for Cobb or Nader, as things stand, next time.
I have often felt so fatalistic over the neoconservative agenda and the aggressive implementation of the Pr0gram f0r a New Qmerican Centjry, that I sorta just want to sit back and watch the country head down the tubes as the rest of the world reacts. China has stepped up intercepting oil suppliers by locking in agreements with other countries; the dollar is weakening as I think foreign debt holders dump their US securities--causing inflationary pressure, and immigration of brilliant minds is declining while ones here want to leave.
I find myself amazed by seeing the GWB adminstration telegraph their moves so openly. The hubris of it seems to be like hiding an unspoken agenda in plain sight. I just am a little foolish feeling to have been tricked into voting for him through religious manipulation in 2000. I was warned, but could not see. Now I regret that so many still seem not to be seeing. Best wishes.
subwo1 said:
I can somewhat agree with you here, although the Democratic slant in my estimation is a purely socialistic state where the government is the wet nurse to all who don’t take care of themselves. The next time I vote I will probably write in a candidate even though it is a wasted vote. But seriously the world isn’t that bad, our government isn’t doing anything that many other governments aren’t doing or have been doing since the beginning of civilization. People are primarily lazy and selfish; if you use this filter on most of these conspiracy theories, it will give you a more truthful picture IMO.
Till:
If you really believe what you said then there is no reason for morality of any kind because there is no consequences for anything you do, and therefore no right or wrong.
I truly feel sorry for the agnostic and atheist minded, what reason is there to even live. Most would agree that life is more pain then pleasure, so why even bother, you have to die sometime. If there is so much pain in living then why bother, after it’s over nothing you ever did or said will even matter. Hell with that mindset Hitler and Stalin are sitting pretty, nothing they ever did was even wrong since there is no higher power to set a reference.
kingdaddy said:
Where did till say there was no reason for morality? (I'd prefer to use the word "ethics.") Some of the most ethical people I've ever known are atheists.
Right and wrong do not require consequences to be right and wrong. And there are consequences right here in this life without the need for belief in a higher power.
I have no problem with the practice of religion as long as it is solely part of purely private, individual life.
You are completely wrong here. That stupid religios point of view makes moralic correct behaivor unecessary, as everything could be forgiven, and for last you have a better life in heaven - or stupid mess like that.
Obviosly the age of Enlightenment (Aufklärung) has passed amerika without leaving any cognitions. Go, read some good stuff like Nietsche, Hegel, Kant, and forget you childish religios christian fanatics terrorists worldview.
The main reson to act in a moralic corerct way is: we share this life, its our one and only. We could make it our hell - our paradise - or anything between. Your goverment makes it a hell for some 100 millions of people, and terminates life of 100 000th more. They should not, because those victims will NOT have any other or next life, and because of their own interrests: some 100 millions of people could come to the conclusion it would be way better to terminate your goverment...
I wish every smallminded rep supporter over there in the US about 30 points additional IQ. This may help.
To the idol worshipers
Your kids are your immortality, people who only worry about them selves reaching a better after life are selfish
I’m sure that you could find that in any religious book
Heaven is in New Zealand, we don’t strap bombs to our kids and we don’t shoot other peoples kids with tanks and helicopters and we don’t look for fake gods in our leaders
PS if you think that you defeated (?) communism with belief, check out that Sampson story, its not realy about hair is it?
Your kids are your immortality, people who only worry about them selves reaching a better after life are selfish
I’m sure that you could find that in any religious book
Heaven is in New Zealand, we don’t strap bombs to our kids and we don’t shoot other peoples kids with tanks and helicopters and we don’t look for fake gods in our leaders
PS if you think that you defeated (?) communism with belief, check out that Sampson story, its not realy about hair is it?
A not so spread point about ethics and how some brave soldiers are treated after they return home.
Let's take 'nam: a lot of soldiers suffered nervous break-downs years after they returned home because of the horros they saw, took place in, whatever else. They were/are most of the times treated like freaks, marginalized, just because they pay in this very life for the stupidity of some was mongers(and for their own stupidity sometimes). Of course you don't care about them since they are freaks. It is so much easier to blame someone for what he/she is than look at the roots trying to understand why they became so.
But then again, what are ethics? For every person something else I'd say. Oh that einstein thing again, he was really bright...
Let's take 'nam: a lot of soldiers suffered nervous break-downs years after they returned home because of the horros they saw, took place in, whatever else. They were/are most of the times treated like freaks, marginalized, just because they pay in this very life for the stupidity of some was mongers(and for their own stupidity sometimes). Of course you don't care about them since they are freaks. It is so much easier to blame someone for what he/she is than look at the roots trying to understand why they became so.
But then again, what are ethics? For every person something else I'd say. Oh that einstein thing again, he was really bright...
Till:
Nothing you have said has anything to do with the Christianity I was taught. I think the real rift between the European and American ideals of religion is Catholicism. Much of Americas form of Christianity is not based on the twisted Catholic POV like the Europeans, it is very very different. The more I understand about the history of Catholicism in Europe the more I understand the anger and offense that religion might have on many there. Most people I know in America believe that the Catholics are a cult not a true belief in the ways of Jesus, so don’t judge the entire world on you’re minority of twisted fanatics, it's not like that here.
The idea that people are born moral or have any morals without some perfect reference is ludicrous and illogical; people do not naturally follow moral values. People without some moral (religious) reference would have no reason to follow a moral life without some belief in far reaching consequences, and history has proven they wont unless they are taught. If you take God away there is no reason to force yourself to do something you don’t want to do (generally speaking).
I’m talking about life and humans in general here, and you seem to be talking about some specific religious fanatics that have given the hole idea of Christianity a bad name, believe it or not there is a bigger world out there then the Catholic teachings of Christianity.
The idea that there is any morality without a God is wrong, Some kind of God has always influenced the minds of the majority, and don’t kid yourself, you are by far in the minority, the vast majority on this planet of 6 billion believes in some kind of God. To insinuate that you learned to be moral without God is very ignorant considering the society you and you parents grew up in predominately believe in a God and set the values you follow, and all the so-called moral laws are based on some belief in this.
Do animals live socially and sucessfully?
Does an animal have morality?
Think about that..
Nothing you have said has anything to do with the Christianity I was taught. I think the real rift between the European and American ideals of religion is Catholicism. Much of Americas form of Christianity is not based on the twisted Catholic POV like the Europeans, it is very very different. The more I understand about the history of Catholicism in Europe the more I understand the anger and offense that religion might have on many there. Most people I know in America believe that the Catholics are a cult not a true belief in the ways of Jesus, so don’t judge the entire world on you’re minority of twisted fanatics, it's not like that here.
The idea that people are born moral or have any morals without some perfect reference is ludicrous and illogical; people do not naturally follow moral values. People without some moral (religious) reference would have no reason to follow a moral life without some belief in far reaching consequences, and history has proven they wont unless they are taught. If you take God away there is no reason to force yourself to do something you don’t want to do (generally speaking).
I’m talking about life and humans in general here, and you seem to be talking about some specific religious fanatics that have given the hole idea of Christianity a bad name, believe it or not there is a bigger world out there then the Catholic teachings of Christianity.
The idea that there is any morality without a God is wrong, Some kind of God has always influenced the minds of the majority, and don’t kid yourself, you are by far in the minority, the vast majority on this planet of 6 billion believes in some kind of God. To insinuate that you learned to be moral without God is very ignorant considering the society you and you parents grew up in predominately believe in a God and set the values you follow, and all the so-called moral laws are based on some belief in this.
Do animals live socially and sucessfully?
Does an animal have morality?
Think about that..
till said:
Thanks, but don't hold your breath since mercury emissions by coal-fired power plants are thought to lower the average IQ by about 7 points. When you throw in all the lead floating around from paint, who knows how much more the figure drops.😉
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