i think these long threads say alot about the effects of costly cables on sound quality.if there was a clear and noticable improvement-i don't think these long debates would continue!!i think most would agree and just get better cables if they made a real difference.
chainenoble said:
And who said you need to spend big money on cables?
And who said the most expensive are the best ones?
Not me.
On a friend's system I changed his very expensive $$$ top-of-the-range Wireworld speaker cable my cheap (~3€/m) CableTalk cable, with CLEAR improvements.
These discussions go on and on because of misunderstandings, assumptions, deturping what some say (or don't say).
You guys be cool.
😎
janneman said:
yea.... if only it worked that way... what happens when someone wants to sell those "soft" drugs for less than the state wants???? 😉
then you have crime... but again... nice try in justifying legalizing a addictive harmful narcotic
however I guess it makes sense... if you allow people to legally become addicted to terrible life threatening drugs... then yes I can see where crime would be reduced
"helps you cope with life".... hey man whatever you say to yourself at night... prozac is also illegal
The continued use of marijuana does not lead to physical addiction. Moreover, I believe there has been only one death linked directly to overuse of marijuana.Audiophilenoob said:
I cannot comprehend why you take blatant falsehoods as absolute truth.
454Casull said:
any proof of this?
I for one have seen many people's lives changed because of marijuana... for the worse....
Audiophilenoob said:
That's where you go wrong. Hash isn't "a terrible life threatening drug", not by a long shot! Alcohol kills much, much more. People who don't know their facts think drugs are drugs, and lump hash with cocaine, which IS an addictive lifethreatening drug. Don't judge other people unless you know what you are talking about. We have the lowest drug crime in Europe. The lowest drug death rate. The reason why we got on to this solution is that we wanted to genuinely solve the problem, whereas in other countries governments just want to make their point. Seldom works.
And yes, there's constantly people trying to literally grow their own. Its easy, you just need an attic and a couple of special lamps. And they are busted as soon as they get spotted (there's techniques for that), a never ending story in a sense, but holding up quite nicely so far.
And no, I don't take it. Never did, never felt the need. Lately, if I get depressed, I go to diyaudio. Gives me all the highs I need😉
Jan Didden
Audiophilenoob said:
Really? That goes completely against all experiences in THIS country. What we DO know is that if people cannot copy with life, sometimes get on to hash. Or to alcohol. Or start beating their wifes. But, I guess you see what you want to see, like speaker cables, you hear what you want to hear... I mean, if you don't even know the difference between hash and, say, cocaine, what can you expect?
Jan Didden
janneman said:
janneman said:
well hash is something completely different... in fact hash is like a cheap **** marijuana.... it's very low THC... I thought we were talking real stuff
and also from what I've seen... drugs/alcohol and abuse are never unrelated.... especially spousal abuse
Audiophilenoob said:
Agree, they are often different symptoms of a specific problem. But we haven't learned yet to try to solve those problems, we get stuck, over and over again, in fighting the symptoms. Which, predictably, is doomed to fail. We call it "mopping with the faucet wide open".
Jan Didden
I have friends who have smoked for years and have normal daily jobs and careers raised or raising kids and so far not a thing is wrong with them. They go for weeks without ever smoking one and then decide that they will. Most of them dont drink or smoke cigarettes.
As my brother the RCMP officer said a few times. "Weed never made a man go and put a knife to his Grandmothers neck for her money."
He would know. Thats the only time he almost blew a mans head off. BC, back in 91 or 92' .
Back to my speaker wire. I tried my first cut at wire making and used my 4 lead 14 guage shot first as i havent finished the 15 strand 18 guage one yet.
Nothing NADA zilch. Although to be fair, if i pull the crossover out i am sure i will hear something. But if i do it will sound trash regardless of cable.
Tommorow ill have the hardcore serious Surface area silver coated copper 15 lead stuff done. 2 down one more to go. Seriously, i want to hear something, like i did with the interconnects. I just dont see it happening though.
Mabey i will install some reverse stitch cross polymer afgan polyester area rugs, transported longitudaly through the stratosphere and then metalized to the hardwood in my apartment and grounded to earth. That should keep the EMF forcefield from being destabalized holding the crystal latice structure in hue until the next solar flair cycle.
As my brother the RCMP officer said a few times. "Weed never made a man go and put a knife to his Grandmothers neck for her money."
He would know. Thats the only time he almost blew a mans head off. BC, back in 91 or 92' .
Back to my speaker wire. I tried my first cut at wire making and used my 4 lead 14 guage shot first as i havent finished the 15 strand 18 guage one yet.
Nothing NADA zilch. Although to be fair, if i pull the crossover out i am sure i will hear something. But if i do it will sound trash regardless of cable.
Tommorow ill have the hardcore serious Surface area silver coated copper 15 lead stuff done. 2 down one more to go. Seriously, i want to hear something, like i did with the interconnects. I just dont see it happening though.
Mabey i will install some reverse stitch cross polymer afgan polyester area rugs, transported longitudaly through the stratosphere and then metalized to the hardwood in my apartment and grounded to earth. That should keep the EMF forcefield from being destabalized holding the crystal latice structure in hue until the next solar flair cycle.
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Audiophilenoob said:
Whoa nelly Hash isnt the poor cousin to weed. Using all natural weed to develop hash comes up with some of the cleanest burning parts of the plant and a higher concentration of THC . Disregard if you are talking about hydroponicaly grown stuff though. Wheelchair weed shouldnt be smoked 😀 Kind of hard to commit a crime when you cant walk and your face is stuffed with cheetos. 8% THC counts are enough for any non chronic to smoke.
Madmike2 said:
this is not the kind of hash I've become acquainted with... usually the hash around here is the leafs of the plant, which is no where near buds
Audiophilenoob said:
HEATHENS ! ! ! 😉
I dont smoke, i just talk to enough hippies and hang with a lot of older cops who remember the "goodold days" when a dime bag was enough weed for you and 4 friends. A 'lid' was a four finger ziplock of weed and if you had 'shrooms' you were a god
On a relate to the origins of this thread note, i have to take something back 🙁 I put one wire back on just to the crossover and the other one on the back side of the crossover to the speaker, completely removing any 'different' wire (except whats in the cabinet itself from post to SPk term).
I left the other with the cheesy crapping wire. I cranked up the volume to a little pass comfort and low and behold, the speaker with the new wire didnt sound tight and narrow. It broke up much later then the other one. I guess power wise it showed much less resistance to the amp. I still dont count that as an improvement in sound though. Not completely because it had to go PAST what i would normally listen to to show itself. We will see with the truly good wire tommorow.
I left the other with the cheesy crapping wire. I cranked up the volume to a little pass comfort and low and behold, the speaker with the new wire didnt sound tight and narrow. It broke up much later then the other one. I guess power wise it showed much less resistance to the amp. I still dont count that as an improvement in sound though. Not completely because it had to go PAST what i would normally listen to to show itself. We will see with the truly good wire tommorow.
WHOA WHOA!!! when did this discussion turn from speaker wire to hashish?!?
On the issue of speaker wire... it can make a difference, but probably not a whole lot(unless you're using outrageously thin wire and switch to something of moderate size or larger). Nanofareds and Nanohenrys arent going to be audible.... The speakers and crossovers will severly mask such effects.
On the issue of hashish.... as a former rider of the CanniBus(for 4 years at that and living in the US where it is illegal) I have come into contact with MANY MANY other drugs trying to get the greenery I wanted(cocaine heroin ecstasy opium mushrooms oxycotin PCP methamphetamine to name a few). I think legalization in the US would help lower the rates of those other drug usings for the simple fact that I'd have never even come close to those things if I could have gone to a gas station or "coffee shop" to buy some reefer. Also I'd like to mention that I've never seen hashish EVER here and neither have any of my close friends. True hashish comes from the resin glands in the flowering tops of the Female plant of cannibis sativa or indica and NOT from the leaf or any other part of the plant.
Another issue is the quality... well I've heard stories from people I know who have gone overseas to amsterdam and I myself have gone to BC. It is obvious that 99% of marijuana available in the US is nasty horrid crap that would take 10 times as much to get you just as high... Smoking 10 times as much will result in 10 times the tar and pure junk inhaled. I've also heard that the killer weed from foregin countrys is SO potent that people dont even want to smoke it. It gets you TOO high! I have a hard time believeing this, but I can see it as possible.
Then I hear smoking MJ causes cancer... BS!!! The reason for this belief is the fact that smoking tobacco does cause cancer so people automatically assume that if smoking one thing causes cancer than smoking something else will have the same effect. NO WAY!! Tobacco naturally absorbs radioactive isotopes of Radium and Polonium from the ground and smoking a pack of ciggarettes a day exposes the smoker to the equivilant of 200 chest Xrays per year.
On the issue of speaker wire... it can make a difference, but probably not a whole lot(unless you're using outrageously thin wire and switch to something of moderate size or larger). Nanofareds and Nanohenrys arent going to be audible.... The speakers and crossovers will severly mask such effects.
On the issue of hashish.... as a former rider of the CanniBus(for 4 years at that and living in the US where it is illegal) I have come into contact with MANY MANY other drugs trying to get the greenery I wanted(cocaine heroin ecstasy opium mushrooms oxycotin PCP methamphetamine to name a few). I think legalization in the US would help lower the rates of those other drug usings for the simple fact that I'd have never even come close to those things if I could have gone to a gas station or "coffee shop" to buy some reefer. Also I'd like to mention that I've never seen hashish EVER here and neither have any of my close friends. True hashish comes from the resin glands in the flowering tops of the Female plant of cannibis sativa or indica and NOT from the leaf or any other part of the plant.
Another issue is the quality... well I've heard stories from people I know who have gone overseas to amsterdam and I myself have gone to BC. It is obvious that 99% of marijuana available in the US is nasty horrid crap that would take 10 times as much to get you just as high... Smoking 10 times as much will result in 10 times the tar and pure junk inhaled. I've also heard that the killer weed from foregin countrys is SO potent that people dont even want to smoke it. It gets you TOO high! I have a hard time believeing this, but I can see it as possible.
Then I hear smoking MJ causes cancer... BS!!! The reason for this belief is the fact that smoking tobacco does cause cancer so people automatically assume that if smoking one thing causes cancer than smoking something else will have the same effect. NO WAY!! Tobacco naturally absorbs radioactive isotopes of Radium and Polonium from the ground and smoking a pack of ciggarettes a day exposes the smoker to the equivilant of 200 chest Xrays per year.
Ohh and BTW there has been one reported death caused by marijuana. ONLY ONE!!!
you've got to hear the full story though....
The man was killed in a study done to find what (if it even existed) the LD 50 of marijuana was. After consumin(eating) 3 KILOgrams of marijuana he died of intestinal blockage.
The simple fact is, THC is a nontoxic substance. Unlike most drugs, it simply cannot kill you
you've got to hear the full story though....
The man was killed in a study done to find what (if it even existed) the LD 50 of marijuana was. After consumin(eating) 3 KILOgrams of marijuana he died of intestinal blockage.
The simple fact is, THC is a nontoxic substance. Unlike most drugs, it simply cannot kill you
BassAwdyO said:
I know speaker wire CAN make a difference (audible), and as such I also agree with carlosfm in his earlier post. An adequate cable, selected to get the signal from the amp to the speakers as neutral as possible, i.e. with low R and "normal" C and L, there will be no audible diferences between brands. But if you go into designer cables with funny values and ratio's of C to R to L, that no intelligent engineer would ever design, you get all sorts of deviations of the damping over frequency, of the freq response itself and a lot of differences between speakers/xovers. Of course that is audible. That's the whole point! They are not interested in transparent signal transfer. They are interested in that the sales man can switch the cable, and say, hear that? that's Hi-Fi my friend! And yours for only 1200 $ US per feet, and I'll throw in the connectors for free. What a deal!
Jan Didden
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