Thank you.
It is interesting to make a cable with 10 nH per foot, only to split it apart at the ends..😕
There's more inductance at the ends than the whole cable. Bet the cable is closer to 2 ohms...
Even at my labor rates, those prices are too rich for my blood.
Cheers, John
I would love to see the room and equipment that makes those cable a viable purchase.
What speakers?
I think you should sell those cables on e*ay and then purchase this:
Amazon.com: New Jsc Wire Cable 50 Feet 14 Awg Automotive Zip Cord Soft Bare Electronic Copper Conductors: Electronics
You won't be able to tell any difference and as a bonus you'll put a few extra dollars in your pocket!
He would "Know" there is a difference 😉
What should happen is someone else should replace those cables, sell them, donate the money to charity. Hoping he never looks at his cables because he will never hear a difference if he didnt know they are changed 😀
What should happen is someone else should replace those cables, sell them, donate the money to charity. Hoping he never looks at his cables because he will never hear a difference if he didnt know they are changed 😀
I wanted to thank-you a lot.
I followed your trick, just to test-it.
My testimonial:
Since i had took the vacuum cleaner cable, wy wife is not able to use-it anymore while i'm listening to music.
And that makes a huge difference in my listening experience.
Who said that wires does-not matter ?
Per usual, as is the case with threads of this nature........we have gone round and round and round in circles......only to arrive by some spiritual epiphany that cables represent a small, very small contribution to our overall hi-fi experience, that we feel the need to tax the site w/ 60+ pages of redundancy. My 2 pennies....sorry for the rant...really.
To those that have exhausted the capabilities of every other aspect of their system only to be failed by inferior speaker cables.........continue the discussion.
To those that have exhausted the capabilities of every other aspect of their system only to be failed by inferior speaker cables.........continue the discussion.
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dough, i will post some photos. The speakers are selected and paired Enviee wide band drivers in my G-pole arrangement. More about that principle in Jan Diddens Linear Audio 2. In the bass i have active M-dipoles with back EMF recycling. I have a Spiral Grove SG1 table with Triplanar arm and Titan i cartridge. The amps are modified 20W LA Audio triode connected mono blocks. My CD player is a Forsell Air Reference. Phono and line stages are my own design. The listening room is purpose build, acoustically tunes by Thomas Fast.
The cables i got "drumroll" for free. The designer was so happy that i liked them, so he gave them as a gift.
The cables i got "drumroll" for free. The designer was so happy that i liked them, so he gave them as a gift.
I would bet that those cables sound very, very good, especially after 'break-in'. Do they do that at the factory, or did you have to do it?
John, that guy that makes the cable is an... retentive. They are cryoed, laquerized and all kinds of stuff. I do not know if he runs them in. They sounded transparent the moment i put them in my system. Maybe it is only the extremely low inductance or the use of natural materials i do not know. They replaced my Wire World Silver Eclipe that sounded slightly warmer. By the way the designer is a Dipl.Ing. so he ain`t no stupid. I would not like to start a discussion about the subjective sound of cables. The only things that can be conclusively proven are the well known lumped parameters. I have cables that cost virtually nothing and will serve a good purpose in 99% of the systems. One cable i designed is sold by a prestigious Japanese brand and uses Litz wire construction. The wire itself does not cost much and doing a cable like that diy is easy. In the end that cable got expensive too because of the elaborated cosmetics. I have no inflence on that.
Just an idea: If you use-them as your vacuum cleaner's wires, for a while, you can break-in them very fast.
The smart "audiophile" will break-in them with his freezer: It will need no human intervention, and can add some pure cryogenic effect.
Sound good.
Indeed.
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I made a fast calculation on LSP-CAD if the Zobel may change perceived tonal balance in the audible range. I assumed the output impedance of my tube amps as 1 Ohm. I put in a 15uF cap to make it visible on the screen so multiply the frequency by a factor of 100. Until 100kHz not much happens and then is a shelf. An amp with lower output impedance would of cause suffer much less of bandwidth limitation. With a single ended class a tube with 5 Ohm output impedance the amplitude drop in the treble could be just audible. Not that amps like that are very extended anyway.
Hi Joachim,
If i understand right what you have been doing, what interests me more than the FR is the phase response. Phase shift is considerable at 5k. If both channels are identical, no pro. I can't judge influence of cable length on phase response, but if there is any, this means that identical cable length for L + R is important in this instance.
Much of this discussion is outside my AOE, that's why I am learning a lot, so I have a question for my fellow participants in this thread. To what extent and under which conditions can cables create phase shifts between L + R?
Non flat FR is there all the time in real listening environments, brain compensating all the time. However, phase coherence between L + R is much more important (in my experience and based on my reading) for imaging. If cables could be nasty in that area, I'd like to know more about the conditions under which that might happen.
vac
If i understand right what you have been doing, what interests me more than the FR is the phase response. Phase shift is considerable at 5k. If both channels are identical, no pro. I can't judge influence of cable length on phase response, but if there is any, this means that identical cable length for L + R is important in this instance.
Much of this discussion is outside my AOE, that's why I am learning a lot, so I have a question for my fellow participants in this thread. To what extent and under which conditions can cables create phase shifts between L + R?
Non flat FR is there all the time in real listening environments, brain compensating all the time. However, phase coherence between L + R is much more important (in my experience and based on my reading) for imaging. If cables could be nasty in that area, I'd like to know more about the conditions under which that might happen.
vac
Joachim, what is the effective ga of the individual strands that I suspect are triple laquerized and then cotton insulated, paralleled and then cryoed? Sounds like the sort of wire my associates and I like to use. Break-in is usually faster with initial cryoing.
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Interesting read:
http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/CableCapacitance.pdf
http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/TransLines-LowFreq.pdf
other good stuff: http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/publish.htm
http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/CableCapacitance.pdf
http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/TransLines-LowFreq.pdf
other good stuff: http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/publish.htm
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