And Now Back To The Programme....
"To my ears the best compromise when using eutectic solders.
I may have mentioned it before but this particular solder alloy was prefered by the french+japanese audiophiles many years ago already."
Interesting - I formed that opinion years ago and without knowledge of the "french+japanese audiophiles", or yours for that matter.
"And don't even try to tell me all chocolate tastes the same,especially not the belgian ones."
Does any beer taste good with any chocolate ?.
Not in my experience - I think you understood what I meant.. 😉
Yup, the task of the chef is to present a nice combination of tastes - I dont think that there can be all neutral components, but a feast can be made from the right foundations and spices.
The RS solder that Phred speaks of is 96Tin/4Silver, but I don't know the source.
Multicore have their alloy called 96S which is the same proportions, and available in differing fluxes.
I reckon that the Multicore version gives/allows/effects a nicely acceptable sound, but the price is steepish, even from a wholesaler.
Maybe Phred reckons he likes it too - where are ya ?.
Eric.
"To my ears the best compromise when using eutectic solders.
I may have mentioned it before but this particular solder alloy was prefered by the french+japanese audiophiles many years ago already."
Interesting - I formed that opinion years ago and without knowledge of the "french+japanese audiophiles", or yours for that matter.
"And don't even try to tell me all chocolate tastes the same,especially not the belgian ones."
Does any beer taste good with any chocolate ?.
Not in my experience - I think you understood what I meant.. 😉
Yup, the task of the chef is to present a nice combination of tastes - I dont think that there can be all neutral components, but a feast can be made from the right foundations and spices.
The RS solder that Phred speaks of is 96Tin/4Silver, but I don't know the source.
Multicore have their alloy called 96S which is the same proportions, and available in differing fluxes.
I reckon that the Multicore version gives/allows/effects a nicely acceptable sound, but the price is steepish, even from a wholesaler.
Maybe Phred reckons he likes it too - where are ya ?.
Eric.
PROOF ENOUGH.
Hi,
The nice thing about sharing experiences globally is that experiments like these confirm findings without one knowing about the other.
To me this scientific and betters even the most stringent DB tests.
Cheers,😎
Hi,
The nice thing about sharing experiences globally is that experiments like these confirm findings without one knowing about the other.
To me this scientific and betters even the most stringent DB tests.
Cheers,😎
Re: I like good use of the internet too....
You're Enlightened, you can never be crazy.😉
mrfeedback said:
You're Enlightened, you can never be crazy.😉
Galileo was told that he was crazy in his time.
Not sure that those terms are totally mutually exclusive. 😉
I've heard that you don't have to be crazy, but it helps.
Maybe that applies to DIY too. 🙂
Eric.
Not sure that those terms are totally mutually exclusive. 😉
I've heard that you don't have to be crazy, but it helps.
Maybe that applies to DIY too. 🙂
Eric.
LAUS STULTITIAE
Eric,
Don't worry....
"Major insanus vehementer rideat minorem".
ERASMUS.
Ciao,😉
Eric,
Don't worry....
"Major insanus vehementer rideat minorem".
ERASMUS.
Ciao,😉
Re: This Is Not About Beliefs....
Wait a minute!!! You're telling me that all I need to to is buy a budget amp, and resolder it to get good amp??? HUH???
NO WAY, I don't buy it!!! A budget amp is likely to have budget parts period. Good solder, or bad solder, with cheap parts, it's stil la cheap amp!
🙂
-Dan
mrfeedback said:
Wait a minute!!! You're telling me that all I need to to is buy a budget amp, and resolder it to get good amp??? HUH???
NO WAY, I don't buy it!!! A budget amp is likely to have budget parts period. Good solder, or bad solder, with cheap parts, it's stil la cheap amp!
🙂
-Dan
Re: CHOCOLATE ERIC?
Sorry, a little off subject, but It's valid in a way!
I diasagree with the analogy. The musician is the chef, combining the spices of sound. The master designer is simply the waiter, who should NOT add spices to the music while delivering it to the guests!!!
But then again, if you've been eating beer with icecream your whole life, will you really like chocolate with icecream when you finally get to tase it?
🙂
-Dan
Sorry, a little off subject, but It's valid in a way!
fdegrove said:
I diasagree with the analogy. The musician is the chef, combining the spices of sound. The master designer is simply the waiter, who should NOT add spices to the music while delivering it to the guests!!!
But then again, if you've been eating beer with icecream your whole life, will you really like chocolate with icecream when you finally get to tase it?
🙂
-Dan
ARTFUL DODGER
Hi,
In an ideal world with absolutely neutral sounding components,yes.
Unfortunately that is not the case yet.
The art of the chef designer is to cook a meal that does not multiply colourations,nor add any of its' own by knowing exactly how to match and mix.
Take two balls of vanilla icecream,melt some pure chocolate and pour it over the icecream.
Enjoy,it is called "Dame Blanche".
Ciao, 😉
Hi,
In an ideal world with absolutely neutral sounding components,yes.
Unfortunately that is not the case yet.
The art of the chef designer is to cook a meal that does not multiply colourations,nor add any of its' own by knowing exactly how to match and mix.
Take two balls of vanilla icecream,melt some pure chocolate and pour it over the icecream.
Enjoy,it is called "Dame Blanche".
Ciao, 😉
There Is No Experience Like Real Experience.....
Dan, you should try it, and you might be surprised at the changes wrought.
I do not say that you can change a sow's ear into a silk purse, but I do say that you can alter a resonable design into one that is acceptable by changing bad solder to good solder.
Go ahead, get a roll of 96S and resolder an amp and speakers, listen and learn, and then report back with your findings.
Then you are in a better position to comment.
Eric.
dkemppai said:
Dan, you should try it, and you might be surprised at the changes wrought.
I do not say that you can change a sow's ear into a silk purse, but I do say that you can alter a resonable design into one that is acceptable by changing bad solder to good solder.
Go ahead, get a roll of 96S and resolder an amp and speakers, listen and learn, and then report back with your findings.
Then you are in a better position to comment.
Eric.
schmad said:
Hey guy, Now, why do you have a 500Mhz scope to look at audio? Wouldn't an analog scope be better (Infinate resolution vertially and horizontally???) And I hope you turn your digital intensity down and don't use averaging... 🙂 Don't get me wrong, I like your style, it's just that bragging about your tools isn't doing much for the discussion. 🙂
As for your name... ...At least sign your posts with your first name. Then we can address you properly. (Otherwise we'll be forced to create a name with the acronym that matches your handle 🙂
I agree that there has been little scientific evidence, and even less theory presented about what is going on. A also agree that trace widths and other similar factors will probably have a larger effect than anything else. However, many of these people have had years of experience. To simply throw away knowledge is wasteful.
(For an on topic question)
The question becomes, how do we devise a test, blind or with instruments to measure what the discussion is about?
(And for a second on topic question)
Since you seem to know about metals, how about the possibility of a diode junction or two being made because of oxide layers being formed on the junction layer between solder and wire? (Similar to the production of a wisker diode PN junction, or to the blued razor blades and needle radio detectors of days gone bye.)
Please, If you have anything to offer, I'm all ears. (Also feel free visit the discussion on thermal noise study... ...you may have some valuable input)
Anyway, take a breath, and help us learn.
-Dan
Re: There Is No Experience Like Real Experience.....
Eric,
I'm not disagreeing with you. I simply found your suggestion funny, sows ear bit and all 🙂
Actually, I was going to ask where to ge the 96S, and who makes it. I'm in the process of building an amp, and figured that at if you guys are correct I'll get a slightly better amp, if you're full of it there won't be any difference. (so there!!!)
🙂
-Dan
mrfeedback said:
Eric,
I'm not disagreeing with you. I simply found your suggestion funny, sows ear bit and all 🙂
Actually, I was going to ask where to ge the 96S, and who makes it. I'm in the process of building an amp, and figured that at if you guys are correct I'll get a slightly better amp, if you're full of it there won't be any difference. (so there!!!)
🙂
-Dan
Lazeeeee......
Phred already gave a link to Radio Shack 96/4.
Elsewise get off ya butt and find a Multicore Solders distributor.
"Full of it " ?. - mostly experience thankyou.
Eric.
Phred already gave a link to Radio Shack 96/4.
Elsewise get off ya butt and find a Multicore Solders distributor.
"Full of it " ?. - mostly experience thankyou.
Eric.
A NEW TACTIC.
Dan,
Seems to me that if you continue like this you're going for a 1.000 posts in just two threads and we'll never get out of the woods.
Banzai,😉
Dan,
Seems to me that if you continue like this you're going for a 1.000 posts in just two threads and we'll never get out of the woods.
Banzai,😉
Re: Lazeeeee......
I figured that you guys had a preferred vendor or MFR, since everything else matters 🙂
-Dan
mrfeedback said:
I figured that you guys had a preferred vendor or MFR, since everything else matters 🙂
-Dan
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