Re: Funny to read
Raving? not really
But I am certain that if I was payed that kind of money I could build something very spectacular...but the hard part is to get people to buy it and pay that kind of money...but it is said that many people who buy at this level really arent enthusiasts and really dont listen to music, but they need this very expencive stuff to impress their friends and to show their richness
Rainer Weber said:
Raving? not really
But I am certain that if I was payed that kind of money I could build something very spectacular...but the hard part is to get people to buy it and pay that kind of money...but it is said that many people who buy at this level really arent enthusiasts and really dont listen to music, but they need this very expencive stuff to impress their friends and to show their richness
angeloitacare and gerner must STOP this sniping now!. . Like a bad marriage. Get over it you 2. This is a warning. Neither is innocent here.
ackcheng said:
Ooops my friend.. there is so to speak 0 ohms in each ribbon alu folio. A little there is of course, but so little that an impedance tranformer is neccesary to apply a friendly load to the amps. And filter as well.
Take a look on other ribbon drivers...they all have an impedanse trafo inside.
The above scripture I assume is an answer to how the ribbons are connected and not midranges and bass's----? That is a differnt story.
Best,
Gerner
angeloitacare said:
Angelo my friend...you know me..by mail and other *hello's* and it seems the only thing you are aiming at, is to forbid me to rave on another product that is not a horn.
C'mon...however you beleive you can make this speaker for in cost prices, marketing, food on the table, retail dealers in US asking for a 60% muk-up for them to play their games.
Where is your producers argument?
If you want to go commercial with your horns...you will face the same conditions. And you as a present DIY guy, should know if you go commercial, huh...it's a different story than just clamping something together and the train starts to move.
As a dedicated horn fan as you are.. I really don't understand why you fall over both the speakers and me as a person, when you have your own agenda.
Your are not fair here about all this....and there is nothing going on here that even a rabbit cannot understand.
Can't you see your are just suddenly promoting the Eternities instead of promoting the speakers of your own? All suspicious comments here is just helping the Eternity speakers to be more known...! In particular in your chat-like responses.
I suggest, you take care of your things and I do the same.
So trying to crank this topic up to be the most important thing in your life, is a farce. Forget about the omnies. And don't be so presitant..*That I want to know* *It's my right to know* You did not make those speakers as well as I did not. And I'm not claiming explanations from RAAL-REQUISITE to know about everything.
We could as well mail each other on private mails and not bore people to death here with all kind of assumations.
I beg your pardon. Also because I didn't made or invented those speakers. You talk to me as I'm responsible for all things happening in the world.
So once more: If you have the slightest interest in omnies, you just swap from horn to omies making this brilliant product, just 10 times less expensive. 😱
You should not ask me why they are expensive to produce. You ask Aleks about that. He knows what it cost him. And from there on just add costs from crates to keep them untouched during transportation, production facilities, tooling, distribution, shows, and retailers, and what did i miss here of costs, to go worlwide with a DIY projekt. And if you make a living of selling speakers this way, you will just know that during the process. Highend manufacturers are not the most rich people in the world as far as I know.
If your dare to approach this honest and very likeable and super intelligent gentleman, named Aleks, I think you will be spanked to death even before you see it comes. His brain, IMO, is bit above average measured on my scale.
As from now, may I kindly ask you to stay on the topic and not question the way you do, as from me there is nothing to learn or get.
Gerner😱
Variac said:angeloitacare and gerner must STOP this sniping now!. . Like a bad marriage. Get over it you 2. This is a warning. Neither is innocent here.
Dear moderator...I'm just trying to get out of Angelos agenda in a polite way. Offering him my private mail-address and not as this therad shows: a chat spilled over your forum.
What a boring event.
You have the options by hand, banning both of us.
I don't know how I came to a position to get the status here as being a middleman on a certain product, which seems to be interesting to some.
I have not much more to add the way the topic developed.
Hopes for your understanding,
gerner
Gerner
peace !! i will email you privately.
Rainer
it's a pleasure to have you here !!
sorry, but i will answer off topic.
I am not a professional manufacturer of hornspeakers.
And i do not aim at all to build any omni ribbons. And i am not here either to promote my stuff.
If you and other manufacturers have a product, which is to your clients worth what you ask for it, your business success will be granted. Who am i to influence your sales, youst giving my opinion on the pricetag of your product ? BTW. is there anything wrong to opinate on it ?
Since you came here, to defend the price of your speakers , ok. let me answer you :
Balanced Power Technologies
http://www.b-p-t.com/speakers.html
is asking for their very nice cyrrus us$ 2595,00 a pair. Funny it uses almost the same configuration as your speakers, RAAL Ribbons in the treble, and costs 20x less than yours. Do you think they had no development costs ? how do you justify us$ 50k for a 2way almost bookshelf speaker ?
good luck, hopefully people that read the comments at enjoy the music will run to buy a pair of your speakers, as it was rated " best at the show " .
Angelo
peace !! i will email you privately.
Rainer
it's a pleasure to have you here !!
sorry, but i will answer off topic.
I am not a professional manufacturer of hornspeakers.
And i do not aim at all to build any omni ribbons. And i am not here either to promote my stuff.
If you and other manufacturers have a product, which is to your clients worth what you ask for it, your business success will be granted. Who am i to influence your sales, youst giving my opinion on the pricetag of your product ? BTW. is there anything wrong to opinate on it ?
Since you came here, to defend the price of your speakers , ok. let me answer you :
Balanced Power Technologies
http://www.b-p-t.com/speakers.html
is asking for their very nice cyrrus us$ 2595,00 a pair. Funny it uses almost the same configuration as your speakers, RAAL Ribbons in the treble, and costs 20x less than yours. Do you think they had no development costs ? how do you justify us$ 50k for a 2way almost bookshelf speaker ?
good luck, hopefully people that read the comments at enjoy the music will run to buy a pair of your speakers, as it was rated " best at the show " .
Angelo
Dear ANgelo,
again, my speaker is not a two way. It is a 3 way with a 5th order midrange (passive radiator and 1st order highpass). I use only the finest Duelund parts inside.
For your information: The Duelund midrange caps on one speaker cost appr 2 times the amount of money of the other entire speaker pair.
Internal wiring is done with Echole Obsession Cable (more than 1000 Euro each meter).
And so on ...
Consider: At the very end range things are going to be exponential in cost increase.
The thing behind is that you can hear all that expensive stuff.
This was a cost no object project. It was done the other way as a typical business solution. We took everything which was the best for us without looking on budget or cost.
First we did not want to sell the speaker because we make our living with professional room treatment and NVH consulting for the automotive industry. But we were invited to share the room at RMAF with Lessloss. At the show we presented our prototyp, the final version is really better in the meanwhile.
We got a lot of interest and now we are busy producing speakers.
🙂
Is it worth the money? This decision has to be made by the potential customers.
What makes me a little upset is that you are judgeing speakers which you have never heard, only seen from one angle on some pictures knowing nothing of the product.
To summarize:
I did not want to hijack the thread, but the Eternity speaker is something very special. I´m also cosidering to order one for my private showroom. And I apologize to you, Angelo, if you feel my text was agressive to you.
Best regards
Rainer
PS: BPT uses a different transformer on the ribbon
again, my speaker is not a two way. It is a 3 way with a 5th order midrange (passive radiator and 1st order highpass). I use only the finest Duelund parts inside.
For your information: The Duelund midrange caps on one speaker cost appr 2 times the amount of money of the other entire speaker pair.
Internal wiring is done with Echole Obsession Cable (more than 1000 Euro each meter).
And so on ...
Consider: At the very end range things are going to be exponential in cost increase.
The thing behind is that you can hear all that expensive stuff.
This was a cost no object project. It was done the other way as a typical business solution. We took everything which was the best for us without looking on budget or cost.
First we did not want to sell the speaker because we make our living with professional room treatment and NVH consulting for the automotive industry. But we were invited to share the room at RMAF with Lessloss. At the show we presented our prototyp, the final version is really better in the meanwhile.
We got a lot of interest and now we are busy producing speakers.
🙂
Is it worth the money? This decision has to be made by the potential customers.
What makes me a little upset is that you are judgeing speakers which you have never heard, only seen from one angle on some pictures knowing nothing of the product.
To summarize:
I did not want to hijack the thread, but the Eternity speaker is something very special. I´m also cosidering to order one for my private showroom. And I apologize to you, Angelo, if you feel my text was agressive to you.
Best regards
Rainer
PS: BPT uses a different transformer on the ribbon
Duelund silver version ?, if so alot of silver.And proberbly the best cap ever made.
Ps Duelund was I friend of mine, and I think I one got the first
alu caps he made years ago. Does it have the Duelund risistors too
one the tweeter.
Ps Duelund was I friend of mine, and I think I one got the first
alu caps he made years ago. Does it have the Duelund risistors too
one the tweeter.
Response to Tinitus:
You said:"
Raving? not really
But I am certain that if I was payed that kind of money I could build something very spectacular...but the hard part is to get people to buy it and pay that kind of money...but it is said that many people who buy at this level really arent enthusiasts and really dont listen to music, but they need this very expencive stuff to impress their friends and to show their richness "
I do not think you can impress people with expensive audio.
You can with expensive cars and watches.
You can not impress in a bar or restaurant with expensive audio gear. Second, if you have to impress your friends with money, than you do not have real friends.
But concerning audio it is the other way round.
Look in this thread: There is a opinion or feeling that people who buy such things are a little crazy, because there is other cheaper audio stuff out there which could have the same performance.
And nobody is forced to buy an eternity speaker. If you have the money and the speaker is the right decision for you - than fine.
Best,
Rainer
You said:"
Raving? not really
But I am certain that if I was payed that kind of money I could build something very spectacular...but the hard part is to get people to buy it and pay that kind of money...but it is said that many people who buy at this level really arent enthusiasts and really dont listen to music, but they need this very expencive stuff to impress their friends and to show their richness "
I do not think you can impress people with expensive audio.
You can with expensive cars and watches.
You can not impress in a bar or restaurant with expensive audio gear. Second, if you have to impress your friends with money, than you do not have real friends.
But concerning audio it is the other way round.
Look in this thread: There is a opinion or feeling that people who buy such things are a little crazy, because there is other cheaper audio stuff out there which could have the same performance.
And nobody is forced to buy an eternity speaker. If you have the money and the speaker is the right decision for you - than fine.
Best,
Rainer
We don't ban people unless they refuse to try to get along. We do put people in the sin bin for a few days to a few weeks , where they can't post. You would think that we were cutting their arms off from the way they cry!
I think many people are interested in these speakers, so a I like the thread. Gerner clearly is excited about his new speakers, and that shows..That doesn't mean that he is a sales agent or anything.
On the other hand, this is a DIY site, so members are certainly allowed to speculate on how things are built.
Finally, do as your mother told you: Just ignore some comments That way things don't get out of hand. Every comment doesn't require a detailed response.
I think many people are interested in these speakers, so a I like the thread. Gerner clearly is excited about his new speakers, and that shows..That doesn't mean that he is a sales agent or anything.
On the other hand, this is a DIY site, so members are certainly allowed to speculate on how things are built.
Finally, do as your mother told you: Just ignore some comments That way things don't get out of hand. Every comment doesn't require a detailed response.
It has the Duelund resistor in the prototyp. The final version has a special custom tailored transformer which provides the wanted sensitivity.
Best,
Rainer
Best,
Rainer
hello Rainer
i do not doubt your speakers might have sounded well. Since i have not heard them, i cannot give my opinion. The claim of enjoy the music, the system with your speakers was " best at the show " however continues to be very * suspect * to me. Ok. lets say you used a pair of us$5k duelund caps, and 1m of Echole Obsession Cable ( what a appealing name ) at us$1,5k. thats us$6.5k. There remains, if i am not wrong...... : us$ 41k price difference to explain ..... No ?
Angelo
i do not doubt your speakers might have sounded well. Since i have not heard them, i cannot give my opinion. The claim of enjoy the music, the system with your speakers was " best at the show " however continues to be very * suspect * to me. Ok. lets say you used a pair of us$5k duelund caps, and 1m of Echole Obsession Cable ( what a appealing name ) at us$1,5k. thats us$6.5k. There remains, if i am not wrong...... : us$ 41k price difference to explain ..... No ?
Angelo
I have to laugh when someone claims that a $10,000 speaker is more "moral" than a $100,000 speaker.
You average person would thingk that even 10k is an insane amout to spend..
You average person would thingk that even 10k is an insane amout to spend..
ABJensen said:
Good recycling of old party hats.
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Variac said:We don't ban people unless they refuse to try to get along. We do put people in the sin bin for a few days to a few weeks , where they can't post. You would think that we were cutting their arms off from the way they cry!
I think many people are interested in these speakers, so a I like the thread. Gerner clearly is excited about his new speakers, and that shows..That doesn't mean that he is a sales agent or anything.
On the other hand, this is a DIY site, so members are certainly allowed to speculate on how things are built.
Finally, do as your mother told you: Just ignore some comments That way things don't get out of hand. Every comment doesn't require a detailed response.
Dear Vairac
I can't see if your post were addressed to me directly. But I generally agree on what you say.
My believe is conspiration theories are just what they are.
If a DIY has found a Holy Grail, has fonds, believes and trust in himself...as a man, I know it is almost irresiteble to go commercial. God be with the man who dare to face this chapter.
Still being DIY who do not follow that road. And just make it up to themselves = My job is my job and I'm not spilling my hard work to others. Just like commercials don't do.
What this...for me new forum is asking about in general, is : *Give it to me* *I claim my rights to know* *Give me business class tickets for 1 USD* and soforth... no offence here pals. But there is a lot of it here.
Here is my buy...if a DIY, and don't underestimate some of them, really think that being a true DIY is just not about claiming for other persons life work and just pull out of their hats, the gear needed to be copied.. This is out of porportions. DIY'ers are in their own world and requires a lot of pre-investment before going commersial. Isn't it just so?
And guys and fellows out there ...there is a Hell of a differnce in founding ones own ideas and to go commercial. I don't think many DIY ever dared to touch this challenge. Except those who really did it. From Jamo to JBL..it all started so. Ideas, trust, self confidence, money, hope and just went their ways. Some had bad luck, some successes.
And Vairac, Angelo and I agreed on keeping this topic clean of lunatism posts. So until now I hope there will be no more viruses found if this topic continues.
And I appologize to everyone one who where offended or upset..just because I bought another speaker which is also a DIY adventure, just commercialised, no matter what it cost in the final end.
There is no thiefs among commercialised manufacturers, In retail yes..they excist, they...those companies, is I asume is already known to all of us.
Vairac thanks for not letting me be a salesman of promoter for a given brand. I am not. I love horns and whatever I heard being good in this or any other deciplines. Now fellows let me have my time with the Eternity omnies. I can't DIY.
Best,
Gerner
Rainer Weber said:
Hi Rainer...haha.. a little joke here from me:
I have no friends = 0 results
I have also spent ****loads of money at latest = No money left.
So the equation here is no friends = no money.
Joke ended.😀
But of course you have a point in what you are addressing.
Vanity is the Devils sin.
I'm in Regensburg in the beginning of next year. CU there.
Ciao
Gerner
Hi Gerner
That quote was actually from me, and it was certainly not aimed at you as I rate you as one of the few dedicated enthusiasts
What I was trying to say was that its a shame and kind of ironic that such a highly and enthusiastically develloped top notch product often will end up with people who doesnt care much, but buy it just because they can
I also believe that a very special look is crusial fore such a high priced product...an ordinary boring looking product wont stand a chance in hell... you may think of Dr Gedlees Summa or the likes
Gerner, I wish you best of luck and I think you deserves it...wasnt it you that payed fore the prototype devellopment of the "Swing"...you are a hero in this world and its due time you get something properly working, whether it needs to cost a million or not, its your show
Best of luck to you!
That quote was actually from me, and it was certainly not aimed at you as I rate you as one of the few dedicated enthusiasts
What I was trying to say was that its a shame and kind of ironic that such a highly and enthusiastically develloped top notch product often will end up with people who doesnt care much, but buy it just because they can
I also believe that a very special look is crusial fore such a high priced product...an ordinary boring looking product wont stand a chance in hell... you may think of Dr Gedlees Summa or the likes
Gerner, I wish you best of luck and I think you deserves it...wasnt it you that payed fore the prototype devellopment of the "Swing"...you are a hero in this world and its due time you get something properly working, whether it needs to cost a million or not, its your show
Best of luck to you!
tinitus said:Hi Gerner
That quote was actually from me, and it was certainly not aimed at you as I rate you as one of the few dedicated enthusiasts
What I was trying to say was that its a shame and kind of ironic that such a highly and enthusiastically develloped top notch product often will end up with people who doesnt care much, but buy it just because they can
I also believe that a very special look is crusial fore such a high priced product...an ordinary boring looking product wont stand a chance in hell... you may think of Dr Gedlees Summa or the likes
Gerner, I wish you best of luck and I think you deserves it...wasnt it you that payed fore the prototype devellopment of the "Swing"...you are a hero in this world and its due time you get something properly working, whether it needs to cost a million or not, its your show
Best of luck to you!
No no Tinitus..I was kidding about Rainers *show off richness* sentence. Nothing with you.
Thanks Tinitus for your nice comments. So many things in your quote is true.
True is also that a friend like Aleks doesn't charge a friend like me all those added costs before it hits his retailers and their fabulous muk-up. They have of course their own problems with liquidity and opperational costs for their fine showrooms. And likely they have to offer a discount to the final client.
I got them for a friendly price = still left with money in my wallet.
Gerner 😉
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