Talking cars is like talking about speakers, nobody ever talks about price as a factor. At the same time the Porsche 911 was selling for $100,000, you could buy two NSX's for that sum. Thats not even a reasonable comparison IMO. And today the NSX will bring twice its value back on resale (% return of original sales price) when compared to the Porsche. As an automotive engineer (20 years at Ford), I can tell you that we were totally blown away by the NSX. The engineering was world class while the price was middle class. The other very good VALUE in cars is, of course, the Corvette. Nothing made in Germany even comes close on a value scale.
When you consider the inflation Porsche Cayman/Boxster offer the same quality as NSX for less $$$.
also NSX kept it's value not because of quality but because it was discontinued.
the same happened to other good cars that were discontinued like Toyota Supra Turbo.
what good is a low price if you can't afford to keep selling at that price and have to discontinue the product ?
the Porsche is still here. Porsche wins.
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Are we bragging about cars?
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You guys need to work for a car company. All interest in cars was taken away as a result. Ford had every kind of car available for test drives, often on the test track (special no speed limit). I would get two new cars every year. I simply got bored with new cars and just wanted to keep one for awhile, and after you had driven them all they no longer had the same mystique. Some people stayed interested, but most got bored like me.
That's why I stopped working as a recording/mixing engineer. If your hobby starts to get boring then there not much happiness left.
Lol that's why I never started - or more accurately ran for the hills when I heard the music I would be mixing.
My Grandfather who worked at GM and had access to their track had some of the same feelings about cars but I think now that he's been retired for so long he misses it. He likes to call ** on me and my weird ideas about sound since he spent so much time in an anechoic chamber testing cars.
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you could probably put a martin logan CLX on top of the porsche panamera on the roof rack.
it has a low, easy to access, flat and long roof - very nice design i think.
or you could probably put one through the hatch as well.
with the car i have now ( sedan ) i barely am able to mount my bicycle on the roof rack. if the car was an SUV i wouldn't be able to reach high enough ( i am 5'10" ). but panamera is like the best of all worlds - a corvette and SUV ( AWD ) in one plus a usefully low, long flat roof which neither roadsters nor SUVs have.
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If practical is even a consideration then a pickup is the way to go. I may get one. But I have never been happy with the way a truck drives. No matter how you fancy it up, a truck is still a truck and it feels heavy and fatiging.
I will never forget the trip I took in my brand new Turbo Thunderbird. When I got home I wished that I never had to sit in that car again. The vibration level was simply horrible.
My Acura is a dream. Looks plain as heck - no one would buy it for its looks -but it is the smoothest drive I have ever owned. And I haven't bought a new car since I left Ford ten years ago. "New" just doesn't mean anything to me and used cars are a steal compared to new. My Acura was half its new price and a small fraction of its life span.
It looks like a Smart. It's like they don't make roof racks for them, do they?!
So buy a USED F-150. Long wheel base = comfortable drive.
Also, you always get to go first across one-lane bridges. You'd never even know if you ran over one of those sissy sports cars.
Also, you always get to go first across one-lane bridges. You'd never even know if you ran over one of those sissy sports cars.
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But the 911 turbo wasn't. Ha ha. If I remember correctly the Acura had a better top speed though, just didn't get there as fast and wasn't as fast off the line and didn't break as well. My guess is the Acura probably handled better but I really don't remember. I'd be happy with either, but will NEVER actually own them. Anymore I have no desire. Seems like a waste of money. If we want to talk the best bang for the buck, I'm a mid 90s Civic hatch guy or a new Golf TDI. YMMLV
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On a race track the Porsche and the NSX were quite competive. In the marketplace "brand" drove the sales price.
I am not sure how many people realize the prodgeny of the 911, it derives almost straight off of a German WWII staff car. Porsche was a tank designer, mostly chassis since Krupp did the guns and turrets. After the war Germans making tanks had no future so he resurected the staff car and made it a two seater. The engine and suspension were identical only the upper structure changed. It has evolved from there, but few cars have changed as little as the 911 over a 60 year period. It was a superior design - revolutionary (as were his tanks!), but its pretty dated these days.
From my experience, everything in Europe is horrifyingly expensive (except Jagermeister). During my first trip to Germany, I visited the BMW headquarters in Munich where the M3 was displayed. Retail was ~130,000 euros. Bear in mind, this was when the exchange rate was >1.6. In the US, I believe the M3 was ~$70,000 compared to ~$208,000.
That's part of what I love about it and it's progeny. The performance of any of these cars is above and beyond what is usable and the price beyond practical. The history and ideas behind them are what fascinate me. Someday I look for the original Summa to be regarded the same way except the price and performance is both usable and practical.
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