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Lostcause

Lostcause

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Dommi said:
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if you want to build a new case for the PS it's recommended that you bridge the complete output stage an go direct to new DC-Blocker Caps and than to new RCA connectors.
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Thanks Dommi, I do have DC blocking caps on my modified T-amp so are you saying that I can just bypass the output stage completely and wire it directly to the RCA's?:eek:
If so.... then what would the optimum connection points be on the board? Should I just remove the existing caps and jump off the pads?

This sounds too good to be true.......:D

Thanks

Lee
 
jives11

jives11

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Dommi said:


@jives
why you want to put the caps underneath the board ?
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I think at digital supply bypass frequencies the lead or track length becomes significant due to inductance. I have read that digital supply bypasses ideally should be connected to the chip pins or as close as possible. I wondered if underneath the board there is a point where we could get the cermaic bypasses very close to where the supply enters the DAC chip
 
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Lostcause said:



Thanks Dommi, I do have DC blocking caps on my modified T-amp so are you saying that I can just bypass the output stage completely and wire it directly to the RCA's?:eek:
If so.... then what would the optimum connection points be on the board? Should I just remove the existing caps and jump off the pads?

This sounds too good to be true.......:D

Thanks

Lee
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yes but it`s true don`t bother to figure out the schematic i tried everything.

desolder the caps c423 c424 and solder 2 coaxial wires in their place with 600R resistor in series and 1k in parallel and use your own RCA and you are done no caps nothing


jives11 said:


I think at digital supply bypass frequencies the lead or track length becomes significant due to inductance. I have read that digital supply bypasses ideally should be connected to the chip pins or as close as possible. I wondered if underneath the board there is a point where we could get the cermaic bypasses very close to where the supply enters the DAC chip
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you are wright about the opamps i don`t know about the DACS
 
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Dommi

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Lostcause said:



Thanks Dommi, I do have DC blocking caps on my modified T-amp so are you saying that I can just bypass the output stage completely and wire it directly to the RCA's?:eek:
If so.... then what would the optimum connection points be on the board? Should I just remove the existing caps and jump off the pads?

This sounds too good to be true.......:D

Thanks

Lee
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Hi Lostcause
you're right, but desolder all 6 Caps, than use the pad of C429 and C430 and not C424 and C423 like back said. You don't need a 600 R resistor in seies. I'ts verry simply. Use the inner pads of the caps C429 and C430 and go direct to positiv contact of RCA. For GRD use a ground point near the DAC. Than a 1K resistor parallel to the RCA out and finish !!
Look at the picture

@ back
<desolder the caps c423 c424 and solder 2 coaxial wires in their <place with 600R resistor in series and 1k in parallel and use <your own RCA and you are done no caps nothing

why you want to use a 600 OHM resistor in the signal path ????
 

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Dommi

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Mick_F said:
Well, Michael Methe describes on his site http://www.methe-family.de/cd.htm that he has implemented a tube output stage. And (of course) he reports that it is very good. You can contact him directly, I have experienced him as a very communicative person.

Mick
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Hi Mick,
i know and i was in contact with him at my first modification. But there is one think that i don't understand. He use the original PS 1 without any electrical modifications, only a tube station behind the PS, how can it be that the sound is better ?? He think it`s because of capacity in the wire between PS and Pre Amp. Now i ask me if other people have the same experiences. With my modification the sound is as calmer as without mod. If i use a tube stage it's posible that shy of high frequency ?

Dommi
 
Lostcause

Lostcause

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Dommi said:

Hi Lostcause
you're right, but desolder all 6 Caps, than use the pad of C429 and C430 and not C424 and C423 like back said. You don't need a 600 R resistor in seies. I'ts verry simply. Use the inner pads of the caps C429 and C430 and go direct to positiv contact of RCA. For GRD use a ground point near the DAC. Than a 1K resistor parallel to the RCA out and finish !!
Look at the picture
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Thanks Dommi, seems damn simple to me. A common ground for both...OK...would you bridge with the resistor directly on the RCA's? I suppose I could ground just one of the RCA's as they are joined in the T-amp anyway?

What's the difference from stock to modded? except for the lower gain.

Lee
 
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My favourite mod is to remove the six caps and use a new cap to go to external RCAs plus an appropriate ground resistor. This is about what dommi is suggesting too.
If you want to keep the RCAs in the original case, I suggest to remove the six caps, replace the jumper (seen on my photos) by a cap and remove the muting transistors. When you are sure that your subsequent stage has DC blockers, you can use the jumper wire as shown.

Mick
 
Lostcause

Lostcause

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Mick_F said:
My favourite mod is to remove the six caps and use a new cap to go to external RCAs plus an appropriate ground resistor. This is about what dommi is suggesting too.
If you want to keep the RCAs in the original case, I suggest to remove the six caps, replace the jumper (seen on my photos) by a cap and remove the muting transistors. When you are sure that your subsequent stage has DC blockers, you can use the jumper wire as shown.

Mick
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This will be feeding into the Mardis mod 1 version of the T-amp so I guess I can just go for the jumped version and minimise the components in the signal path?
 

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ThorstenL

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Konnichiwa,

Toobz for Playbox....

IF I was (Ultravox) trying to get a Tube stage for a Games Station, I would use the most basic circuit i Could. Here is how it would look:

Output Valve = 2A3 or 45

Grid directly to the DAC Chip.

Cathode/Heater DC heated and with the positive heater terminal designated cathode output. Cathode via 1K5 to ground, bypass with a 47uF Polypropylene Capacitor.

Use a 5K6/12W Mills Anode Load resistor and +500V Anode supply (well filtered).

Coupling capacitor to the output acording to taste.

Sayonara
 
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Dommi

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Mick_F said:
Dommi, you are right, the real thing would be to tap the signal at pins 15 and 16 of the DAC and go into a tube stage directly. Michaels PS has two output stages now, which should not be too good for the sound.

Mick
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I think the best is to disolder the pins 15 and 16 of the DAC from the motherboard and to bend them up. Than connect them with the DC cap and go direct to the RCA's.
If i have a little bit of time i will try it .....
.....and later i'm going to build a Tube stage ;-))


Dommi
 
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