k. I hope ruach gets back to me, then! ^_^
edit- Oops, looks like I was a bit confused about who I'm supposed to be contacting. I'm going to try to get in touch with Spencer too 🙂
edit- Oops, looks like I was a bit confused about who I'm supposed to be contacting. I'm going to try to get in touch with Spencer too 🙂
muting relay mod revisited
I had a look at the muting relays yesterday and realised i done something particualrly daft. I'd lifted the pad for the gnd on the right ouput connector so had solder a wire jumper to the nearest gnd - on the muting relay. Looking at this in hindsight it was pretty obvious this meant that the mute on this channel was dumping straight into the outputs. I've rewired the jumper to the star gnd and muting now works as expected. So if the relay mod is done as described it should work fine.
While I had the board out I removed the pulse transformer for the AES/EBU input. I've come across Jocko Homo's SPDIF input circuit that looks worthwhile investigating, so the unused pulse transformer is being repurposed:
http://www.diyhifi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5707#5707
Jocko also has written a short piece on general issues with spdif...
http://home.att.net/~jocko.homo/digi.html
I had a look at the muting relays yesterday and realised i done something particualrly daft. I'd lifted the pad for the gnd on the right ouput connector so had solder a wire jumper to the nearest gnd - on the muting relay. Looking at this in hindsight it was pretty obvious this meant that the mute on this channel was dumping straight into the outputs. I've rewired the jumper to the star gnd and muting now works as expected. So if the relay mod is done as described it should work fine.
While I had the board out I removed the pulse transformer for the AES/EBU input. I've come across Jocko Homo's SPDIF input circuit that looks worthwhile investigating, so the unused pulse transformer is being repurposed:
http://www.diyhifi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5707#5707
Jocko also has written a short piece on general issues with spdif...
http://home.att.net/~jocko.homo/digi.html
I had a ground loop from a poorly seated RCA jack. Fixed that and noise dropped below -100db. Very good sound, preferring this to my tube DAC now.
Any updates on the VXCO board?
Any updates on the VXCO board?
I don't think there is sufficient interest to warrant making up a VCXO board to be honest, and my personal interest lies in more extensive changes to the dac, so I'm working on a new pcb.
The Jocko Homo spdif input seems to have brought worthwhile improvements despite the fact I'm still using rca digital interconnect so I'm missing most of the benefits. I've bypassed the existing spdif circuits on the D1V3 and connected the new circuit at C203/C204.
The VCXO is being under-utilised at present as it simply supplies a clean clock to the DF chip. To obtain maximum benefit the DAC chips also need to be fed a clean clock. This is not entirely straight forward as the SM5842 (and PMD100?) output a burst clock - the clock pulse stops for part of each cycle - so the VCXO output needs to be modulated to replicate this pattern. According to various sources the data lines also benefit from reclocking.
The extent of the changes required to implement the above means it's not really possible to simply make add on boards.
cheers
Paul
The Jocko Homo spdif input seems to have brought worthwhile improvements despite the fact I'm still using rca digital interconnect so I'm missing most of the benefits. I've bypassed the existing spdif circuits on the D1V3 and connected the new circuit at C203/C204.
The VCXO is being under-utilised at present as it simply supplies a clean clock to the DF chip. To obtain maximum benefit the DAC chips also need to be fed a clean clock. This is not entirely straight forward as the SM5842 (and PMD100?) output a burst clock - the clock pulse stops for part of each cycle - so the VCXO output needs to be modulated to replicate this pattern. According to various sources the data lines also benefit from reclocking.
The extent of the changes required to implement the above means it's not really possible to simply make add on boards.
cheers
Paul
How to connect to a unbalanced pre
Hello to all.
I ask you a question that for most of you it should not seem important.
If I would to connect D1V3 DAC to a unbalanced pre amplifier, how have I to arrange the plugs?
Many thanks to everyone will help me. Regards.
Davide.
Hello to all.
I ask you a question that for most of you it should not seem important.
If I would to connect D1V3 DAC to a unbalanced pre amplifier, how have I to arrange the plugs?
Many thanks to everyone will help me. Regards.
Davide.
Hello Davide,
You connect the tip of the RCA to RIGHT(LEFT)_OUT_+VE and ground to AGND.
You can also save some money and omit U7, U14 and the lower half of the schematic of the JFET I/V.
Best wishes
You connect the tip of the RCA to RIGHT(LEFT)_OUT_+VE and ground to AGND.
You can also save some money and omit U7, U14 and the lower half of the schematic of the JFET I/V.
Best wishes
I may have missed the post while perusing this thread, but where is the best place to obtain the parts needed to build this DAC up (e.g. PCM63P-K, SM5842 (or should I use PMD100?), Input receiver, etc.)?
Hrm anyone got some spare boards they would be willing to part with? I'd be looking for a few for myself and a few for various friends.
check with spencer for boards...
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1523706#post1523706
for chips... cs8412/4 is available for a number of sources online/fleabay in smd and will work with an adapter board. sm584X is still available but tends to be $$$. For pcm63 it is hard to make any recommendations on where to purchase at present. Yamaha Pro audio apparently have a substitute for the genuine Y grade part available at something like $175AU EACH. most sources are more reasonably priced but are of less certain origin.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1523706#post1523706
for chips... cs8412/4 is available for a number of sources online/fleabay in smd and will work with an adapter board. sm584X is still available but tends to be $$$. For pcm63 it is hard to make any recommendations on where to purchase at present. Yamaha Pro audio apparently have a substitute for the genuine Y grade part available at something like $175AU EACH. most sources are more reasonably priced but are of less certain origin.
Would it be possible to use the Tent Labs XO-DAC kit with the D1V3?
It can have one output to the SM5842 XTI pin and then it has two BCLOK outputs which could go to U4A and U11B.
It can have one output to the SM5842 XTI pin and then it has two BCLOK outputs which could go to U4A and U11B.
The XO-DAC will work fine for reclocking the DF.
The SM5842 and PMD-100 output a burst clock which means that the bit clock stops for part of each cycle, so my understanding is that you can't simply hook the extra outputs from the XO-DAC to the chip. The reclocking circuit from Marc Heijligers Audio DAC pages includes a circuit (comprised of U4 and U5) which gates the clean VCXO clock to match the output of the SM5842 to work around this requirement.
Guido Tent would be able to give you the final word however.
The SM5842 and PMD-100 output a burst clock which means that the bit clock stops for part of each cycle, so my understanding is that you can't simply hook the extra outputs from the XO-DAC to the chip. The reclocking circuit from Marc Heijligers Audio DAC pages includes a circuit (comprised of U4 and U5) which gates the clean VCXO clock to match the output of the SM5842 to work around this requirement.
Guido Tent would be able to give you the final word however.
Maybe replace the SM5842 with a DF1704 on a converter board if one is made? Jim Hagerman uses a PLL-VXCO to reclock BCLOK on his HagDAC.
It should work with the DF1704, but I'm not sure about convertors Spencer might be able to answer that question. Burst mode is DF specific - afaik it only applies to the NPC DF's and the PMDs. Like I said, Guido will be able to tell you for sure one way or the other.
Hello to the D1V3 owners...
I've assembled the unit and tested the voltages connected to +-18V. The regulators U5,6,12,13 for the +-5Vanalog have more than +-0,03V tolerance. The worst value reads -5,1V
and the others have 5,07V (pos. and neg.).
The specs tell that the range for the analog and digital supply is 5V +- 0,5 V. Therefore I don't expect to damage the PCMs. But what is about performance. Does it make sense to adjust the voltages? I thougt about adding some SMD resistors on the bottom of the board to fine tune the LM3x7s.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards
Josch
I've assembled the unit and tested the voltages connected to +-18V. The regulators U5,6,12,13 for the +-5Vanalog have more than +-0,03V tolerance. The worst value reads -5,1V
and the others have 5,07V (pos. and neg.). The specs tell that the range for the analog and digital supply is 5V +- 0,5 V. Therefore I don't expect to damage the PCMs. But what is about performance. Does it make sense to adjust the voltages? I thougt about adding some SMD resistors on the bottom of the board to fine tune the LM3x7s.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards
Josch
Hello Joschl,
I would not mind the digital supply voltage. For the analog supply I would adjust it that way, that the positive and negative supply for each channel match (not caring what the absolute value is).
As the PCMs are current output I'm not shure if they are sensitive to the supply voltage but better be safe.
Best wishes
I would not mind the digital supply voltage. For the analog supply I would adjust it that way, that the positive and negative supply for each channel match (not caring what the absolute value is).
As the PCMs are current output I'm not shure if they are sensitive to the supply voltage but better be safe.
Best wishes
I don't think voltage precision is really an issue. What is required is stable, low noise voltage rails.
cheers
Paul
cheers
Paul
On this question of power supplies for the PCM63:
http://members.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/DAChtml/Power supplies.htm
Voltage accuracy is not one of the design criteria for the PCM63 supplies.
http://members.chello.nl/~m.heijligers/DAChtml/Power supplies.htm
Voltage accuracy is not one of the design criteria for the PCM63 supplies.
Joschl said:Hello to the D1V3 owners...
I've assembled the unit and tested the voltages connected to +-18V. The regulators U5,6,12,13 for the +-5Vanalog have more than +-0,03V tolerance. The worst value reads -5,1V
The specs tell that the range for the analog and digital supply is 5V +- 0,5 V. Therefore I don't expect to damage the PCMs. But what is about performance. Does it make sense to adjust the voltages? I thougt about adding some SMD resistors on the bottom of the board to fine tune the LM3x7s.
Thanks in advance.
Best regards
Josch
You may try fixed regulator for the +5V rails. These are the most important ones for PCM63. Use LT1085-5 if you can afford. It has lower noise and much better rejection rate.
For the +-18V rails, you can try LM4040 instead of LM336.
Also you can use BG N caps for the final output coupling instead of MKPs.
I think I will leave it as it is. Thanks to all for the information.
I'm just waiting for a 2*9V transformer and then it will play music.🙂
For the output caps I have some Wima MKPs. I'm going to try them without shielding as I have no idea where to get some copper foil.
Grüße
Josch
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