"I am afraid that the members who added their names to the order and are not shown as having paid may bear a fair degree of responsibility in this"
As stated multiple times, some of us never received invoices from Peter, so were unable to pay. This is an effect of Peter's absence, not the cause.
As stated multiple times, some of us never received invoices from Peter, so were unable to pay. This is an effect of Peter's absence, not the cause.
We'll see what comes out in the wash. Assuming he has the parts and this verified by a third party are you happy to proceed.
Of course he may have troubles in his life, bereavment, suffer from extreme stress or depression etc.
So let's not jump to any conclusions or be quick to anger.. whilst still trying to get it to some resolution.
So let's not jump to any conclusions or be quick to anger.. whilst still trying to get it to some resolution.
3 1/2 months and quite as a church mouse.....,...
A phono PS could never reach this level of noise
A phono PS could never reach this level of noise
This is the third GB I have subscribed to where someone has done a runner with the money and never been seen again ( Peter has not even logged on to diyaudio since February )
Every time it has happened there have been useless apologetic posts like yours that don't excuse stealing other peoples money. He has stolen my money..if you wish to donate yours to him that is up to you but I don't and he has stolen my money!
I also think that it is time that those of us that want to build these boards started to think of a way to run another GB so that we may get on and build. I will be the first to put my name on a list for a new GB.
My name wasn't on the list but I have paid in febraury for just the components. Today I have opened a paypal refund ticket. I have to do it before the 15th august.
I think we can all agree that the prognosis looks poor. I sent him 1100 euros in total, I think its time we took steps to get our money back, 6500+ euros isn't chump change. I don't care what his personal situation is, I want my goods or my money back.
Does anyone have any ideas what wed need to do present this to the German police, signed affidavits etc.
Does anyone have any ideas what wed need to do present this to the German police, signed affidavits etc.
Don't be a deadhead mate, or something that sounds like it.
Where's your proof that anyone has stolen your money in any of the GBs? Theft requires intent, not just that you don't get it back when you ask.
What did you do to get your money back from the others? Anything? My guess is that you were the useless one in those situations and spent your whole time just getting angry at home and taking no action.
Fact is that if someone IS having a hard time or problems then your reaction and others like it are exactly the kind of thing that drives the person away for good, runs away from the angry crowd rather than being given the room to apologise and make amends.
It's up to you how you react but there are consequences for your own actions and perhaps, just perhaps, that contributed to at least one of your previous GB experiences.. who knows.
Publically shaming people or casting aspersions is exactly the wrong way to go. It is purely self-centred (to vent your anger to make YOU feel better in some way) whilst quite likely making the situation worse for yourself and everyone else too.
Why don't we first find out who he is, home address and things ? Don't people know him? If he has participated in GBs then someone will have some shipping address for example.
Doing things to publically though and on a thread that he's subbed to as well encourages someone to hide. We don't want him to hide and run away - makes things much harder to reach any solution.
Doing things to publically though and on a thread that he's subbed to as well encourages someone to hide. We don't want him to hide and run away - makes things much harder to reach any solution.
Thanks for your contribution... good luck with getting your money back. My previous experience of failed GB's is that the person and the money are never seen again. I never got angry ( for your information ) and am not angry now. As to what I did to get my money back?..there is little anyone can do.. these things only work on trust. There were people in the past GB's who knew the address's and the telephone number's of the perpetrator's but refused to give them to anyone incase it 'upset' the thief. You sound just like they did at the time. I am not angry nor am I bitter. I took a calculated risk when I signed up to this GB ( one always does ) It didn't pan out so I move on.
If you read my post properly you would have read that he has not logged onto this website since February this year so he is not being frightened off by anything we say... he has already gone,vamoosed,vanished, disappeared. He hasn't read a single post on here since Feb...how many ways do you want me to write it so that you get the message?
He has gone and so has your money.
Now... has anyone any thoughts about how to start another GB so that we may move forward here?
Nat, we know all his details, Torsten has even been to his house before. The issue is that none of us live with 150 miles of him and asking a member to doorstep him on the back end of a 150 mile drive isn't reasonable.
I'm easy, if he has the pcbs and parts but has somehow fallen short on delivering them then we'll pick them up and I'll cover the shipping cost.
If he has parts and not the pcbs due to some unforeseen financial circumstances that haven't worked out then we'll collect the parts and we can work out something re the pcbs.
But if he's pissed away our 6500+ euros and never bought any parts or pcbs then I'm sure we all feel the same way. I'll hound him on every bit of social media he's ever posted on. I'll chase through with anyone and everyone he's ever worked for or with. I'll expose him on every hifi related forum I can gain membership on. I'll contact all his friends and all his family until he finally comes round to explaining himself. And if that doesn't work then we'll all get together and supply details of the money we sent him and work with one of the German participants on the group buy and bring him to justice for fraud and theft.
I won't let it stand.
I'm easy, if he has the pcbs and parts but has somehow fallen short on delivering them then we'll pick them up and I'll cover the shipping cost.
If he has parts and not the pcbs due to some unforeseen financial circumstances that haven't worked out then we'll collect the parts and we can work out something re the pcbs.
But if he's pissed away our 6500+ euros and never bought any parts or pcbs then I'm sure we all feel the same way. I'll hound him on every bit of social media he's ever posted on. I'll chase through with anyone and everyone he's ever worked for or with. I'll expose him on every hifi related forum I can gain membership on. I'll contact all his friends and all his family until he finally comes round to explaining himself. And if that doesn't work then we'll all get together and supply details of the money we sent him and work with one of the German participants on the group buy and bring him to justice for fraud and theft.
I won't let it stand.
Joe, the quickest way out is Minicap6 boards from Les and just skip the common mode coil. I have a good source for the Hammond chokes and Les might do a deal for a group buy on boards and Kendeil caps.
I second Simon in this.
And I would expect Peter to explain himself what happened.
Has there been pcbs finished, are there any parts or none?
Personally I demand that we get what we paid for and even if it takes a bit of breath I am not prepared to write this off just yet.
For this reason I will not go for a second pre-reg GB the moment,
but will head to a Minicap6 solution like Simon mentioned
as a temporarily bridge.
Here I would join a GB straight & if Les would offer us a GB deal, would be very welcome.
So I can get my Paradise up & running, but alike Simon I am not prepared to just write the pre regs off.
And I would expect Peter to explain himself what happened.
Has there been pcbs finished, are there any parts or none?
Personally I demand that we get what we paid for and even if it takes a bit of breath I am not prepared to write this off just yet.
For this reason I will not go for a second pre-reg GB the moment,
but will head to a Minicap6 solution like Simon mentioned
as a temporarily bridge.
Here I would join a GB straight & if Les would offer us a GB deal, would be very welcome.
So I can get my Paradise up & running, but alike Simon I am not prepared to just write the pre regs off.
Whatt? So what you are saying, summed up in your final line is that there is nothing we can do so we should forget about it?
All the while you're accusing me of being some apologist for a thief?
You follow up with snarky comments like 'If I read my post properly' and then try to claim you're not angry?
Seriously I really don't think you are going to help in this at all.
As for your daft logic: If someone were dead could they log in? Yet for you, him not logging in is proof of an intentional theft?
Do you know that you can read all the posts on this forum without logging in? Without being a member even! Who knew! Yet you say he hasn't read any of these posts...
I could go on..
I don't think the money has gone as deadhead says. It is somewhere!
As Simon points out, we do not even know whether parts and boards were paid for and received in any capacity - we simply do not know anything yet. Deadhead does seem to think he knows that nothing was ordered - if he could reveal how he knows, that would be great (but I suspect he is no wiser than anyone else, just not thinking it through properly).
Those who paid with PayPal can instigate a claim. Claim times were extended by a lot over a year ago and is either 3 or 6 months. This does vary country to country though.
Those who paid by PayPal by credit card can easily claim their money back from PayPal, whether paypal return it willingly or not (charge back is guaranteed in paypal's agreements with credit card companies like Visa). Ok, might not be 'easy' but is very likely to succeed.
Those who paid with PayPal via visa debit card can also make claims but the rules and timings may be different to regular charge backs. Same might be true with Mastercard.
It is only those who paid directly into his bank account who may not get their money back should they need to.
It is quite common for someone taking in an unusual amount of money all of a sudden into paypal to not be allowed to take it all out at once without flagging up a warning to them. This could have happened and even could have prevented him (can't even remember his name now) from even accessing the money and frozen his account for 6 months, all no fault of his own other than being too scared/proud to tell us all. I once had a load of cash from ebay sales frozen for 21 days because of unusual activity (I hadn't sold much for a while). I couldn't afford the shipping on the items without those funds so I had to refund everyone..
I guess my next step will be to talk to Simon about his next move as a few of us paid money to Simon who then paid to the guy. (but i'm too exhausted from work and lack of sleep to do that now Simon 🙂 )
As Simon points out, we do not even know whether parts and boards were paid for and received in any capacity - we simply do not know anything yet. Deadhead does seem to think he knows that nothing was ordered - if he could reveal how he knows, that would be great (but I suspect he is no wiser than anyone else, just not thinking it through properly).
Those who paid with PayPal can instigate a claim. Claim times were extended by a lot over a year ago and is either 3 or 6 months. This does vary country to country though.
Those who paid by PayPal by credit card can easily claim their money back from PayPal, whether paypal return it willingly or not (charge back is guaranteed in paypal's agreements with credit card companies like Visa). Ok, might not be 'easy' but is very likely to succeed.
Those who paid with PayPal via visa debit card can also make claims but the rules and timings may be different to regular charge backs. Same might be true with Mastercard.
It is only those who paid directly into his bank account who may not get their money back should they need to.
It is quite common for someone taking in an unusual amount of money all of a sudden into paypal to not be allowed to take it all out at once without flagging up a warning to them. This could have happened and even could have prevented him (can't even remember his name now) from even accessing the money and frozen his account for 6 months, all no fault of his own other than being too scared/proud to tell us all. I once had a load of cash from ebay sales frozen for 21 days because of unusual activity (I hadn't sold much for a while). I couldn't afford the shipping on the items without those funds so I had to refund everyone..
I guess my next step will be to talk to Simon about his next move as a few of us paid money to Simon who then paid to the guy. (but i'm too exhausted from work and lack of sleep to do that now Simon 🙂 )
I can give you the bad news on that front straight away. Having been part of the original group buy, and having purchased another two sets of boards from Peter during the middle of last year I gifted him the amount to save on fees at both ends. I'll have to investigate with PayPal but having taken a quick look just now it says the transaction isn't covered. Which is why I'm more than happy to chase him up through the courts.
Looking at it now I've been a total mug, but having had three good transactions with him previously I thought It was safe enough. So that's me 650 out of pocket for my own order and on the hook for another 500 euros to the other UK buyers on top of that.
F_cking great.
Looking at it now I've been a total mug, but having had three good transactions with him previously I thought It was safe enough. So that's me 650 out of pocket for my own order and on the hook for another 500 euros to the other UK buyers on top of that.
F_cking great.
But then some of us know more that you do or we wouldn't be saying what we are saying.
If you know that he has disappeared and has not ordered any parts and not placed any orders, has withdrawn all the money from PayPal and you know of Peter's situation then please can you tell us right now what you know. Or please confirm that you're just talking rubbish to put our minds at rest.
You were complaining about people covering for a thief earlier yet now you're saying you know something but are not telling us, just like they did?
You were complaining about people covering for a thief earlier yet now you're saying you know something but are not telling us, just like they did?