jnb said:
No.
dave
PS Ron Clarke has posted the results from some 3D sims he did which offer a 1st explicit explanation of EnABL
this illuminator woofer is scan-speak's best attempt at ripping off Aura's neo-radial motor ...
several years in R&D ... what a joke
the marketing people never get tired of selling age-old technologies as latest breakthroughs ...
several years in R&D ... what a joke
the marketing people never get tired of selling age-old technologies as latest breakthroughs ...
I don't think that scanspeak joke 😀 marketing ..... not problem for diy's people!!
tw standard are textile dome ,my metal 9800 sound so sweet rispect the precedent textile 9700 ,strange but some time the new tecnology are rigth(ok dome is not the only one.. )this is sufficent for me to explore new beryllium . any one are interesting??
On woofer side this new paper cone can be sufficent ,the new seas nextel promise a lot a good compromise among paper -magmesium
tw standard are textile dome ,my metal 9800 sound so sweet rispect the precedent textile 9700 ,strange but some time the new tecnology are rigth(ok dome is not the only one.. )this is sufficent for me to explore new beryllium . any one are interesting??
On woofer side this new paper cone can be sufficent ,the new seas nextel promise a lot a good compromise among paper -magmesium
nicoch46 said:
scan speak makes good products. but this woofer should have been introduced years ago.
Agree, to be regarded as highly professionals, it took them a long time to figure it out, and it has been right there under their noses all the time😀 if only we could order customized drivers like with AT, so lets just hope there will some options available😉 but if the estimated prizes I have seen somewhere hold it doesnt matter much...it may be up there with Feastrex
i don't care much about xmax and linearity of excursion for drivers smaller than 15" in diameter
anything smaller than 15" is just not designed to move air period.
for a 5" driver to have more than 3mm xmax is a waste imho. just cross it over at 400hz to something else.
but of course scan-speak does not like to build big drivers because they're too cheap for that.
anything smaller than 15" is just not designed to move air period.
for a 5" driver to have more than 3mm xmax is a waste imho. just cross it over at 400hz to something else.
but of course scan-speak does not like to build big drivers because they're too cheap for that.
vasyachkin said:
Or because not many people want big drivers / big speakers. Remember that outside of the USA not everyone has massive listening rooms to fill, sadly 🙁
vasyachkin said:
you're making a series of inflammatory assertions in support of a vague personal philosophy - how about some specific examples.
I'm sure there's more than 1 way to "move air period" than sheer size, and for a variety of reasons, not all listeners or builders have the same requirements for maximum SPL or frequency extension.
Planet 10, can you reveal where you heard $1600 per pair, or how solid that rumor is? Did it come from Solen, Madisound, or Tymphany perhaps?
I really like the driver but I would never pay that. I realize underhung motors are extremely expensive to make but I hardly think they would be profit maximizing at that price point. I realize audiophiles and money are easily parted. Still I think that pricing and the 7000 tweeter pricing for that matter, is nuts.
For that type of moiney, we should be able to pick out spiders as well as cone material.
I really like the driver but I would never pay that. I realize underhung motors are extremely expensive to make but I hardly think they would be profit maximizing at that price point. I realize audiophiles and money are easily parted. Still I think that pricing and the 7000 tweeter pricing for that matter, is nuts.
For that type of moiney, we should be able to pick out spiders as well as cone material.
Poleplates fore underhung are not very expencive with todays technology like CNC, but they will want you to believe that...problem is that they cost a bit, where as most commonly used poleplates that are not maschined they cost next to nothing...and yes, they are used even by SS and Seas...is the word "stamped" right
Pricing in this hifi world are not always cost related, many products are priced after what they think its worth
Pricing in this hifi world are not always cost related, many products are priced after what they think its worth
Hi All,
SEAS full range price is around 370 euros/unit in europe (depending on distributor/shop), so think the price will be around 370$ for US/canada (SEAS products are cheaper in US market than in european market, and especially right now with a very competitive change between €/$ for european guys)
About Scanspeak Illuminator, seems to be available for the beginning of 2nd quarter 2008 (around april/may) for the first items. Prices will be high, higher than actual revelator serie.
No more informations right now about product customisation/color basket/cone material, etc...
Regards,
Fram
SEAS full range price is around 370 euros/unit in europe (depending on distributor/shop), so think the price will be around 370$ for US/canada (SEAS products are cheaper in US market than in european market, and especially right now with a very competitive change between €/$ for european guys)
About Scanspeak Illuminator, seems to be available for the beginning of 2nd quarter 2008 (around april/may) for the first items. Prices will be high, higher than actual revelator serie.
No more informations right now about product customisation/color basket/cone material, etc...
Regards,
Fram
fram said:
Before we in US / Canada start getting too excercised one way or the other regarding imagined pricing for either of these new series of drivers, we should probably await pricing from the official distributors.
There are often other factors involved besides just the fluctuating exchange rates and estimated shipping charges. For example compare pricing from Solen and Madisound for the same European or Japanese / Chinese products.
Hi Chris,
You're right, there are other factors, the biggest IMHO is that US/Canada is a big market regarding european market. So the Madisound/Solen dealers can have better prices because of big qty of products they buy.
Cheers
You're right, there are other factors, the biggest IMHO is that US/Canada is a big market regarding european market. So the Madisound/Solen dealers can have better prices because of big qty of products they buy.
Cheers
nicoch46 said:
Yes, indeed.
I have little interest in the Illuminators as a typical ScanSpeak kind of product, but the basket details & low reflection of the motor make it very appealing. And as an OEM/ODM kind of product one can actually conceive of something like the cone/surround/spider of something like a Fostex FE168eS being dropped into this support structure. With the new SEAS fullrange, the dispersal of Scan/Vifa/Peerless talent, the necessary influx of new talent to replace them, and the turmoil of the Tympany take-over create an environ ripe for thsi kind of product. One can only hope.
dave
Well then, I feel sorry for the FR crowd, that's a lot of money for a driver.
The reason you don't see that many underhung motors is that it definitely does cost more. Underhung adds material cost, machining cost, and additional magnet cost. With small excursions, you will not see that much difference in performance between them. With large excursions, your spider/surround has more of an influence on nonlinearity. I would say excluding the cone, the illuminator basket/motor doubles scanspeak's cost compared to the revelator.
I agree that the manufacturing cost is a fraction of the DIY selling price and they could hold prices, aura has a 12" neo underhung motor for $180, but from an OEM and a manu prespective, they will charge more due to increased manufacturing costs. I would be very happy if they priced this driver near/equal to the rev.
I would not use the term "stamped," that is for thin sheet metal. Polepieces and top plates are cast and then machined/ground.
Obviously, I have not seen or tested this driver, but based on prelim specs, scanspeak's rep, and the sum of the driver design features I like this driver, I think underhung is a nice feature but not the single reason to buy this driver.
Has there been any press releases on the new cone materials/specs for HDS exclusives? I hope they do not drop the nomex cones.
The reason you don't see that many underhung motors is that it definitely does cost more. Underhung adds material cost, machining cost, and additional magnet cost. With small excursions, you will not see that much difference in performance between them. With large excursions, your spider/surround has more of an influence on nonlinearity. I would say excluding the cone, the illuminator basket/motor doubles scanspeak's cost compared to the revelator.
I agree that the manufacturing cost is a fraction of the DIY selling price and they could hold prices, aura has a 12" neo underhung motor for $180, but from an OEM and a manu prespective, they will charge more due to increased manufacturing costs. I would be very happy if they priced this driver near/equal to the rev.
I would not use the term "stamped," that is for thin sheet metal. Polepieces and top plates are cast and then machined/ground.
Obviously, I have not seen or tested this driver, but based on prelim specs, scanspeak's rep, and the sum of the driver design features I like this driver, I think underhung is a nice feature but not the single reason to buy this driver.
Has there been any press releases on the new cone materials/specs for HDS exclusives? I hope they do not drop the nomex cones.
mbutzkies said:
But you only need the one driver... quality over quantity. And no XO to get in the way of the music... about the same cost as a Thor with deluxe XO parts and i would expect it to sound better.
dave
Yes, the three leaf clover type arrangement is for product identification and 'other things'. It can be done a million other ways, once you know what the hell is actually going on. Nothing unique there, but it is nice to see someone doing this, to have other driver manufacturers venturing into that area.More choice, better quality. As stated in the enabLe thread, I did that to drivers way back in the early 90's..and I'm sure someone else did it before that too. there's lots of technology hidden in plain sight in many an old box, if you know what you are looking for. For example, one of the most advanced bits of thinking I've ever seen in loudspeaker design...was in a speaker from the late 50's. And there it was..if you knew what you were looking at. Obviously nobody did, as it hasn't been replicated since. Sorry, I won't speak on it, I'm saving it for a rainy 'production product' day. There's lots of stuff out there like that.
As for skan-speak..I think it wasn't until very recently, heck they might still be selling..the exact, identical driver basket design that is used in the original Dynaco A-25-50's etc. They used Skan-speak woofers. Same damn basket as a 21 series woofer.
As for skan-speak..I think it wasn't until very recently, heck they might still be selling..the exact, identical driver basket design that is used in the original Dynaco A-25-50's etc. They used Skan-speak woofers. Same damn basket as a 21 series woofer.
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