Moode Audio Player for Raspberry Pi

Still a newbie with moOde so please bear with me.
Where is the option to actually create a new playlist in 3.5?
I am aware of the bug which prevents from saving, but I am not able to see an option to create any sort of playlist.
Secondly, is there anyway to add bitrate and file format information on the main screen (where we see those circles), At the moment I need to click on the "Audio information" item for each song played to see the details.
I know that Volumio at least tells me if it is mp3 or flac right inside the big circle.
 
Still a newbie with moOde so please bear with me.
Where is the option to actually create a new playlist in 3.5?
I am aware of the bug which prevents from saving, but I am not able to see an option to create any sort of playlist.
Secondly, is there anyway to add bitrate and file format information on the main screen (where we see those circles), At the moment I need to click on the "Audio information" item for each song played to see the details.
I know that Volumio at least tells me if it is mp3 or flac right inside the big circle.

Hi,

The process is to just add tracks to the main Playlist, then save it. To create a new playlist, select the first track in the Playlist, then remove all the tracks, then add new tracks to the empty Playlist then save that one, etc.

Are you referring to the Encoded-at rate and audio format (flac, mp3, arc, etc)?

Bitrate is already displayed right under the Album art.

-Tim
 
Hi
is possible create a system multiroom with moode?

Moode supports multi-room synchronized audio via two of the integrated audio renderers, Airplay and Squeezelite. Use either iTunes or LMS.

To do multi-room using Moode/MPD would require integrating something like SnapCast then creating a control UI for volumes and selection of endpoints, etc. It would be a considerable work effort for IMO a relatively niche usage scenario e.g., multi-room sync audio.

-Tim
 
Looks like the DB update was the problem. Either not enough resources to add directories or no updates allowed while the DB is being updated. I actually started the updates inadvertently. In the past I've always set up my sources before starting the update. Because I was still locked out of configuration this morning I formatted my sd card and did a new install. This time I was careful not to start a DB update before I had all my sources in place. Looks like it's going now. I can access the other config areas--just set my time zone. 3 out of the 11 directories are just about indexed. This is good. I learned something. I went against my Olde Programmer ethos and paid for software. I like Moode's features and I appreciate that it's under active development.
 
Hi,

The file played ok for me. I stopped after 1 hour 15 mins. See attached screen shots.

-Tim

Thank you Tim.
I have 2 RPI3Bs and several I2S DACs.
2TB NAS including 600GB flac, wav, m4a files.

I am looking into the phenomena more carefully.
1.Re-burn SD image
2.Copy file to internal SD card to eliminate NAS high latency problem
3.Testing from default kernel settings(Probably most safe and stable)
Standard, on-demand, TS, disable MPD upsampling

The problem repro sometimes at any settings with multiple RPI3.
Sound stops suddenly, Audio information interactive dialog box response is quite slow.
RPI3 green light continuously turns on.
Moode is not hanging, progress timer is still counting up.
After several to 10,20 minutes, occasionally sound is recovering and RPI3 green light is flashing.

Now I am going back to Moode 3.1.
 
Hi,

The process is to just add tracks to the main Playlist, then save it. To create a new playlist, select the first track in the Playlist, then remove all the tracks, then add new tracks to the empty Playlist then save that one, etc.

Are you referring to the Encoded-at rate and audio format (flac, mp3, arc, etc)?

Bitrate is already displayed right under the Album art.

-Tim
I could figure out the playlist part now, though I could not quite 'select' a track- a single tap starts playing it rather than selecting it in the playback screen.
About the audio bit rate- e.g. 320 kbps is quite common for mp3s. That bit rate is not displayed.
I can only see 16/44.1 in most cases but it does not specify MP3 or FLAC anywhere.
 
As I mentioned in a previous post, with MoOde 3.5 loaded and working my Pi B+ with HiFiBerry Amp+ won't recognise the PiHut USB WiFi dongle. It worked fine with 3.1, has anyone else noticed this? Gone back to 3.1 on the Pi B+ 'til I can make it work in 3.5.

Ian

Do you know what the wifi chipset is?

I have everything necessary to test that setup.
 
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Thank you Tim.
I have 2 RPI3Bs and several I2S DACs.
2TB NAS including 600GB flac, wav, m4a files.

I am looking into the phenomena more carefully.
1.Re-burn SD image
2.Copy file to internal SD card to eliminate NAS high latency problem
3.Testing from default kernel settings(Probably most safe and stable)
Standard, on-demand, TS, disable MPD upsampling

The problem repro sometimes at any settings with multiple RPI3.
Sound stops suddenly, Audio information interactive dialog box response is quite slow.
RPI3 green light continuously turns on.
Moode is not hanging, progress timer is still counting up.
After several to 10,20 minutes, occasionally sound is recovering and RPI3 green light is flashing.

Now I am going back to Moode 3.1.

Do you know why you have a latency problem with your nas?

Have you tried a different SD card?
 
Thank you Tim.
I have 2 RPI3Bs and several I2S DACs.
2TB NAS including 600GB flac, wav, m4a files.

I am looking into the phenomena more carefully.
1.Re-burn SD image
2.Copy file to internal SD card to eliminate NAS high latency problem
3.Testing from default kernel settings(Probably most safe and stable)
Standard, on-demand, TS, disable MPD upsampling

The problem repro sometimes at any settings with multiple RPI3.
Sound stops suddenly, Audio information interactive dialog box response is quite slow.
RPI3 green light continuously turns on.
Moode is not hanging, progress timer is still counting up.
After several to 10,20 minutes, occasionally sound is recovering and RPI3 green light is flashing.

Now I am going back to Moode 3.1.

Hi,

Very odd.

Even though I was not able to repro after 1 hour it does not necessarily rule out a bug in either Moode code or MPD.

A few questions:

1) Is red LED on continuously or does it flash periodically?
2) What brand / model SD card(s)?
3) What model DAC's?

-Tim
 
I could figure out the playlist part now, though I could not quite 'select' a track- a single tap starts playing it rather than selecting it in the playback screen.
About the audio bit rate- e.g. 320 kbps is quite common for mp3s. That bit rate is not displayed.
I can only see 16/44.1 in most cases but it does not specify MP3 or FLAC anywhere.

Hi,

File type should be no problem.

Wrt compressed audio formats, there are two rates:

1) Encoded-at: the bit depth and sample rate of the source audio used for input to the compression algorithm.
2) Compressed-at: the bitrate used by the compression algorithm to create the compressed audio file.

User feedback from past was to display #1 because of the widespread use of lossless formats like FLAC, ALAC, WAV, AIFF in the enthusiast space

I could display #2 instead of #1 for lossy formats or add #2 to the display and always display #1 and #2.

What do you think?

-Tim
 
Do you know why you have a latency problem with your nas?

Have you tried a different SD card?

Hi
I have never experienced nas latency problem so far.
When pure testing, using SD card and skipping nas is fair.
I am testing the same music files(m4a, flac, wav) both in nas and SD card.
Currently I am using Toshiba 16GB class 10 SDHC UHS-I card.
I have tried other SDHC card and seem to be no difference.
 
Hi,

Very odd.

Even though I was not able to repro after 1 hour it does not necessarily rule out a bug in either Moode code or MPD.

A few questions:

1) Is red LED on continuously or does it flash periodically?
2) What brand / model SD card(s)?
3) What model DAC's?

-Tim

Hi Tim,

1) Red LED light is continuously on.
2) Toshiba 16GB class 10 SDHC UHS-I card.
3) PCM5122, ES9023, ES9018K2M OEM DAC.
 
Hi,

File type should be no problem.

Wrt compressed audio formats, there are two rates:

1) Encoded-at: the bit depth and sample rate of the source audio used for input to the compression algorithm.
2) Compressed-at: the bitrate used by the compression algorithm to create the compressed audio file.

User feedback from past was to display #1 because of the widespread use of lossless formats like FLAC, ALAC, WAV, AIFF in the enthusiast space

I could display #2 instead of #1 for lossy formats or add #2 to the display and always display #1 and #2.

What do you think?

-Tim

Sorry to butt in here, but I was thinking about this recently. How difficult would it be to put a 'File Properties' option on each track? Maybe that could open a dialog box (modal?) displaying all the info deemed appropriate. I suppose File type, Data compression = Lossy/Lossless/None, Bitrate, PCM Bit depth/sample rate, DSD file info, etc. Or would that be complete overkill, or too much work for too little gain? "TMI"?

If it's easier to have the display switch between uncompressed/lossless compressed and lossy compressed, then that would certainly work, IMO.
(as in, "I could display #2 instead of #1 for lossy formats")

Make the display show Bit depth/sample rate for uncompressed/lossless compressed, and switch to display 'Bitrate' for lossy compressed files (MP3, WMA, etc.).

What about DSD file types? Can those be shown as "DSD64" or "DSD/2.8224MHz", etc.? I don't think it would be necessary to clutter things up by displaying whether DSD is being converted to PCM or not. That's visible in other settings...
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Sorry to butt in here, but I was thinking about this recently. How difficult would it be to put a 'File Properties' option on each track? Maybe that could open a dialog box (modal?) displaying all the info deemed appropriate. I suppose File type, Data compression = Lossy/Lossless/None, Bitrate, PCM Bit depth/sample rate, DSD file info, etc. Or would that be complete overkill, or too much work for too little gain? "TMI"?

If it's easier to have the display switch between uncompressed/lossless compressed and lossy compressed, then that would certainly work, IMO.
(as in, "I could display #2 instead of #1 for lossy formats")

Make the display show Bit depth/sample rate for uncompressed/lossless compressed, and switch to display 'Bitrate' for lossy compressed files (MP3, WMA, etc.).

What about DSD file types? Can those be shown as "DSD64" or "DSD/2.8224MHz", etc.? I don't think it would be necessary to clutter things up by displaying whether DSD is being converted to PCM or not. That's visible in other settings...
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Hi,

Nice idea. A "file properties" icon on each item in the Playlist could indeed work. This could be in addition to rate(s) etc under the Album art. Maybe just display a dump from mediainfo in a modal, similar to System info.

DSD format and rates are also available. In fact I fixed a bug in Audio info that was messing up the info for DSD.

-Tim
 
Cool! That sounds like it should be relatively easy to do, as well. I'd imagine making the display switch between uncompressed/lossless and lossy-compressed would require more coding. (Right?)

I recently swapped out the 16GB microSD card in my RP3 to a 128GB microSDXC card, so that the RP3 can be a better stand-alone player. I needed to buy a newer card reader before I could flash the new SDXC card with the Moode image, but once that was done all went smoothly. 128GB goes a long way with mostly 16bit/44.1kHz FLAC files. Thanks again for Moode!
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3.5 is working fine now. great contrib, Tim

one thing i got trapped is setting renderers.
there are airplay, squeezelite and dlnas
it behaved like a toggle switch.
eg, i enable dlna server first, then turning on airplay caused dlna server turned off.
after some reboots and switching on each, became to expected state.
am fine as it's working ok now, but was a puzzling behavior.