I did not have the Shibasoku when I designed that product. All the measurements then were limited by my equipment. The amp has 20 dB of gain and I measured .0006% THD, the limits of my hardware. I'll see if I can get a unit up and measure it again soon.
I don't see a second VAS in the 725 circuit (attached). I also attached the phono version of the amp I did for NuForce and a quick test of a FET buffer for an opamp. I can post the ltspice files and my modified parts files if there is interest.
Yes Demian, please send/post simulation files.
I would need the model for the depletion fet at least. The easiest way to do this is to paste the model right on the ASC file.
Richard you asked in some post what was wrong with the IC buffer. I find with just about all of National audio range parts a lot a very high frequency noise or perhaps high frequency instability. I've found National audio parts to be very susceptible to RF. This can cause what looks like very small rectified pulse. This often looks like low frequency noise. The kind noise that Vicnic sighted with the LME stuff. Sometimes it's there and sometimes it not.
Because of this I haven't been a big fan of National audio range parts. I will gladly accept a higher voltage noise part if it end with a much cleaner output.
Mostly the problems are as Scott said, " move a wire just one inch...and...".
And "Sounds like a case of 20 all being different".
Whatever we do has to be repeatable or at least trim able.
HP hand selected op amps going into the 339A. What happened to the op amp that didn't measure up. Back to the dealer and sold to someone else?
TI send me a handful of the LME buffers after raising an issue with tech support. I was told you can't just test one.
Because of this I haven't been a big fan of National audio range parts. I will gladly accept a higher voltage noise part if it end with a much cleaner output.
Mostly the problems are as Scott said, " move a wire just one inch...and...".
And "Sounds like a case of 20 all being different".
Whatever we do has to be repeatable or at least trim able.
HP hand selected op amps going into the 339A. What happened to the op amp that didn't measure up. Back to the dealer and sold to someone else?
TI send me a handful of the LME buffers after raising an issue with tech support. I was told you can't just test one.
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Hi David,
You'll have to let me in on what you're doing with the 339A - please. I can't even begin to find this stuff in the long threads.
-Chris
You'll have to let me in on what you're doing with the 339A - please. I can't even begin to find this stuff in the long threads.
-Chris
I read somewhere it could take up to an entire year to get approval then.
More like a year to get silicon on a 40 transistor circuit. Each layer drawn by a draftsman and all simulation on pencil and paper while breadboards were real breadboards made out of vector board and pins. The AD524/624/625 was my last breadboard, unfortunately it got tossed.
Hi David,
You'll have to let me in on what you're doing with the 339A - please. I can't even begin to find this stuff in the long threads.
-Chris
Hi Chris,
I'll see if I can find the beginning.
Right about here Chris. 1741. This is when we started talking about 339A mods.
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Hi David,
I found some stuff a while back. Just let me know what you are doing now. Too bad there isn't a concentrated thread for these analyzers.
Maybe once you get to where you're going, we can work backwards from that.
-Chris
I found some stuff a while back. Just let me know what you are doing now. Too bad there isn't a concentrated thread for these analyzers.
Maybe once you get to where you're going, we can work backwards from that.
-Chris
Hi David,
I found some stuff a while back. Just let me know what you are doing now. Too bad there isn't a concentrated thread for these analyzers.
Maybe once you get to where you're going, we can work backwards from that.
-Chris
I think we started a thread for the 339A.
Just can't remember where exactly it is.
?
It's been four years.
And, the journey is a long and arduous one, grasshopper.
I guess it has been. That thread has a life of it's own now. If only there was a relevance filter I could feed the thread through!
-Chris
I guess it has been. That thread has a life of it's own now. If only there was a relevance filter I could feed the thread through!
-Chris
Does anyone know anything about the Xicon polystyrene capacitors? Seems friendly pricing... :
http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Xicon/23PW310/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv1cc3ydrPrF9hNhJC57Qe1s1sjnAJYf3E%3d
http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Xicon/23PW310/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv1cc3ydrPrF9hNhJC57Qe1s1sjnAJYf3E%3d
C0G performs well in Scott and Samuel's recent LinearAudio article.
Presumably that is why they were recommended.
I bought 15 .001uf and 10 10nf xicon polystyrene from Mouser. i have not thrown them into an oscillator but the DA is comparable to silver mica and other polystyrene that I compared them too. Biggest problem for me is the restricted range of values.
Try them and report back!
Presumably that is why they were recommended.
I bought 15 .001uf and 10 10nf xicon polystyrene from Mouser. i have not thrown them into an oscillator but the DA is comparable to silver mica and other polystyrene that I compared them too. Biggest problem for me is the restricted range of values.
Try them and report back!
You have to measure each one as the parameter spread is wide. As for DA, they are as good as any other polystyrene I have used before. Some polypropylene capacitors are very good as well. C0G / NP0 capacitors are also good, measuring similar DA values.
Note that dielectric absorption isn't anything like ESR. Dimitry is right though, there are quite good ceramic capacitors around with tighter tolerances than polystyrene capacitors these days. I really wish someone would bring back production like the old 630 V, standard values that I used to buy decades ago.
-Chris
Note that dielectric absorption isn't anything like ESR. Dimitry is right though, there are quite good ceramic capacitors around with tighter tolerances than polystyrene capacitors these days. I really wish someone would bring back production like the old 630 V, standard values that I used to buy decades ago.
-Chris
Thank you Dimitry, but why? I am interested in extremely low distortions 🙂
I haven't found the polystyrene to be much better than COG.
Polypropylene is still the best but not all manufactures are the same.
Some of the so called audio best were the worst performers.
Modern demand for quality C0G capacitors has made them hard to beat. Also, better to avoid any sort of lead inductance by using surface mount components, no?
Three COG 6800pF Yageo 1206 50V in parallel instead of two Wima FKP2 0.01uF in parallel in my 1kHz board (measurement via twin T):
http://content6-foto.inbox.lv/albums/e/elterra/COGvsFKP2/COGvsFKP2.jpg
Original board with the FKP2 only:
http://content32-foto.inbox.lv/albums/e/elterra/TwinWienB/TrWienB.jpg
http://content6-foto.inbox.lv/albums/e/elterra/COGvsFKP2/COGvsFKP2.jpg
Original board with the FKP2 only:
http://content32-foto.inbox.lv/albums/e/elterra/TwinWienB/TrWienB.jpg
Bruce Hofer implies that distortion in C0G capacitors is higher in parts with low voltage ratings. Although 50V should be fine, you might try a higher voltage rated part in the same package size and see if that makes a difference, for example:
CGA5H4C0G2J682J115AA TDK Corporation | Capacitors | DigiKey
CGA5H4C0G2J682J115AA TDK Corporation | Capacitors | DigiKey
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