Do you see it this way?
Are we not trying to expose the recording accurately, and not feel annoyed by any particular sonic quality?🙂
home.provide.net/~djcarlst/SLReport10.05.pdf
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$600/pair for the active version? Maybe with miniDSP providing an ace in the hole, lessee...
115 miniDSP 2x4 balanced
100 hardware and wood/MDF
150(?) 2x2x100W class D amp boards and PS
= $365 leaving $235 for drivers. That seems do-able, although shipping could kill it, and you'd want to be sure you had a driver+waveguide combo that measures up first of course.
No, but that post is four years old. Looks like it got archived here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/103681479/SLReport10-05home.provide.net/~djcarlst/SLReport10.05.pdf
In the OP, Cant seem to open the file? Something I'm Doing wrong?
Tweeter $45
Behringer Truth B2031A, B2031P Tweeter - Speaker Exchange
Woofer $58
Behringer Truth 2031A, 2031P Speaker 8W120A4 - Speaker Exchange
How about a passive crossover or the dsp is what makes it exceptional?
Behringer Truth B2031A, B2031P Tweeter - Speaker Exchange
Woofer $58
Behringer Truth 2031A, 2031P Speaker 8W120A4 - Speaker Exchange
How about a passive crossover or the dsp is what makes it exceptional?
the continuum from jeff bagby fits the bill here.
I never did a comparison between the behringer and continuum, but from what I remember, I wasnt as happy and blown away with the bnehringer. I think continuum is a better speaker definitely. but theres no amp inside.
for bang for the buck, behringer is very good, no doubt. but since when are you interested in cheap and not SOTA speaker gedlee? 🙂
I never did a comparison between the behringer and continuum, but from what I remember, I wasnt as happy and blown away with the bnehringer. I think continuum is a better speaker definitely. but theres no amp inside.
for bang for the buck, behringer is very good, no doubt. but since when are you interested in cheap and not SOTA speaker gedlee? 🙂
lol, nothing exceptional about the behringer. you can find other comparable monitors in this price range that could compete with the behringer. and when you go into the 500$ range, the little behringer isnt exceptional at all.
Geddes gets a lot of flack for promoting his products on diyaudio.
But I think he's promoting a specific list of things that will get you good sound.
For instance, he's openly promoting the Behringer here, even though he has no financial incentive too.
IE, from reading his posts one might assume that he's trying to sell you a set of Summas. But he's actually encouraging people to go with designs that have demonstrably flat frequency response, low diffraction, and controlled directivity.
This might seem like a fairly easy set of goals to achieve, but many speakers fall flat:
1) IMHO, the achilles heel of the Econowave and it's clones is the cabinet. Those sharp edges are not good for imaging. I owned a JBL that was similar to the Econowave before I had my Summas, and the imaging on the Summas is in a whole 'nother league
2) JBL's reference monitors look promising, but again, sharp edges. And the waveguide used seems to put form over function. IE, a simple OS waveguide would likely work better. Plus, the JBL reference is in the neighborhood of $20,000 once you buy the amps and the processors that are required
I'm not, it wasn't my idea. I just think that it is a good idea and I'd be willing to help. Will I build a pair? - no.
Behringer didn't just rip off the cabinet, looks like they ripped off the drivers too!
Those look very very close to what Genelec uses (Vifa)
Vifa tweeter from Genelec speaker
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Tweeter of unknown origin from Behringer speaker
Dude you've been listening to too much Dinosaur JR.
Anyone that says "the kef ls50 are just shitty speakers" and says "lol, nothing exceptional about the behringer. you can find other comparable monitors in this price range that could compete with the behringer. and when you go into the 500$ range, the little behringer isnt exceptional at all." is someone who's hard of hearing.
Time to stop listening to speakers and start measuring speakers; there is something wrong with your hearing.
Insults are the last mean when you just haven't any arguments left.
so you think the behringer is exceptional????
Listening to rock thrue the kef ls 50, you really wonder why in the hell are they so well reviewed. they are not punchy, the punch they make is just bad : you hear the port clearly, the bass is bloated as soon as you raise the volume. Listening to hip hop or rock is a joke on the kef ls 50. if you think otherwise, more power to you I guess. for jazz and low listening experience maybe, but it isnt even better then my continuum so **** it.
Im not listening to speakers, im listening to music. you should maybe do the same. and if you dont like dinosaur jr, maybe you havent spent enough time with the band. J macsis is just a genius as far as im concern.
so you think the behringer is exceptional????
Listening to rock thrue the kef ls 50, you really wonder why in the hell are they so well reviewed. they are not punchy, the punch they make is just bad : you hear the port clearly, the bass is bloated as soon as you raise the volume. Listening to hip hop or rock is a joke on the kef ls 50. if you think otherwise, more power to you I guess. for jazz and low listening experience maybe, but it isnt even better then my continuum so **** it.
Im not listening to speakers, im listening to music. you should maybe do the same. and if you dont like dinosaur jr, maybe you havent spent enough time with the band. J macsis is just a genius as far as im concern.
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I usually shy away from bold statements, but when someone states that Kef LS50s are "shitty", they've instantly lost all credibility.
As for their dynamics, what do you expect from a 5.25" woofer?
dammit, ive lost all credibility. I will say it again, kef ls 50 sucks at any high volume. and even at small volume, they are not exceptionnal.
are we not looking for HIFI here?
my continuum is also a 5.25 woofer, and they stump the kef for the tone, bass response. kef image well and are precise sounding and quite natural. but the mid is thin. good highs, but not exceptional either.
are we not looking for HIFI here?
my continuum is also a 5.25 woofer, and they stump the kef for the tone, bass response. kef image well and are precise sounding and quite natural. but the mid is thin. good highs, but not exceptional either.
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I have a 2way with 5-1/4 peerless and XT25.. Goes very loud with lots of bass punch.. Seems I can't make the woofer overextend, with Accuphase e202, well, of course I could if I was aiming for that😉
I've heard the Orions and they are not for me.. I haven't hear these famous Behringers..
I've heard the Orions and they are not for me.. I haven't hear these famous Behringers..
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A little silly to go to the TOTL 15" M2 in the midst of an 8" Behringer discussion. JBL has a whole slew of similar 8" + waveguide speakers, slightly to much more expensive, but the slightly more expensive thing is why the Behringers exist in the first place:
LSR308
LSR2328P (recently discont.)
LSR4328P
LSR708i (upcoming)
Also Genelec, Neumann, um, Amphion just mentioned recently, and who the heck knows how many other people making similar compact waveguide monitors for studio use. I'm not aware of anything very close to the Behringer price, though.
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My argument may be silly, admittedly.
After living with the Summas for a while I'm *really* sensitive to the sound of diffraction.
I love the sound of Genelecs and Klein and Hummel.
IMHO, it's the waveguide and the cabinet which make a large contribution to that sound.
yep, its confirmed. I will get the amphion one18 for try out! it has much of what you guys appreciate. waveguide, low xo point, closed box and passive radiator.
Im thrilled and excited!
One18 | Amphion
Im thrilled and excited!
One18 | Amphion
Oh my Summas kill that thing.
It's fun to mess around with but there's no comparison.