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Kondo M77

Points well taken, and reminds me of the Ongaku article back in SP mag. ie. dont bother unless xyz.

Twenty years later there are some pretty good caps available in the small values required and tantalum and/or old stock carbon comps cant be 'that bad'.

Theres no silver wound iron required. A couple inches of silver or enamelled copper wire, copper chassis, hybrid rectifier and.. it might sound different, but you'd think it'd not necessarily be worse. ??..

Like you say, un-inspiring, and I agree - Looks like the stock version of the $99 bottlehead foreplay lineamp from 10 years ago with a different tube.

Question is: how to turn a sows ear into a silk purse?.. hocus pocus cant be the answer. The operating points are all there.

Is it just me?. (dont answer that part) :)

Shane

Shane, .
Broskie has the answers....CCDA: constant-current-draw amplifier

the best sounding tube to my ears is the russian 6H23-eb...wavebourne introduced me to this tube and i never looked back...
 
Thanks Tony and all the best to you and yours for the festive period.
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This is not 'my scheme', this is the KSL M77 schematic, which is why I ask that you stand-down from further comment - please.
On principle I'd put CCS everywhere, and it should sound better, right?. Yep, and when it doesnt, what do you do?.
Dont blame me - just TRY it. So easy, yet so hard - maybe diyaudio should focus more on 'do' - oh wait, it does 'D' in the 'IY'.
Get busy before you get back ..

JP

this is a public forum, as long as no rules are violated, anyone can post....since joining here in 2013, i have learned a lot about tubes that it is a crime not to share them...

i conducted a build out / teach ins last year about this topology using the 12au7....about 30 boards were built to the satisfaction of people who joined up.......
 
Sorry for the delay (there is a 9-hour difference between your location and mine).The Kegon pics you asked for:
 

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wiring is not so good, the ht wires going to the rectifier should have been twisted, not only to make it look good but for rfi suppression as well...
You made me curious (OP,sorry for the digressions!) about this.Like in the picture,I always routed the HT wires as independent (not twisted or touching,double-isolated) because I always had a fear for the rather large potential between the two (more than 800V sometimes) and not very confident in the PVC/whatever isolation to withstand a possible accident.
Otherwise,the RFI supression you mentioned...am I wrong if I trust the rather generous ammount of uF's and H's following the rectifier?
 
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You made me curious (OP,sorry for the digressions!) about this.Like in the picture,I always routed the HT wires as independent (not twisted or touching,double-isolated) because I always had a fear for the rather large potential between the two (more than 800V sometimes) and not very confident in the PVC/whatever isolation to withstand a possible accident.
Otherwise,the RFI supression you mentioned...am I wrong if I trust the rather generous ammount of uF's and H's following the rectifier?

the late AndrewT keeps a close eye on ac lines not twisted.....it is a good practice in any book...i have not encountered problem because of twisted wire pairs...
 
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the late AndrewT keeps a close eye on ac lines not twisted.....it is a good practice in any book...i have not encountered problem because of twisted wire pairs...
Looks like you missed my point.I wan't asking about AC lines in general (eg.AC mains,AC filament wiring wich I'm familiar with) but of this specific given situation - AC wires between XFMR and rectifier valve.
Also,excuse my ignorance,who is AndrewT?
 
Looks like you missed my point.I wan't asking about AC lines in general (eg.AC mains,AC filament wiring wich I'm familiar with) but of this specific given situation - AC wires between XFMR and rectifier valve.
Also,excuse my ignorance,who is AndrewT?

i criticized your drawing for not twisting wire pairs, the main reason for twisting is so that the loop area between parallel wires are minimized, it is not so hard to see, your parallel wires from the traffo to the rectifier has the biggest loop area, twisting them minimizes the loop area, did you get what i was driving at...? any field created is effectively cancelled due to the twisting...
 
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i build the line stage of 77 with a regulate power suply i had,i lisen many cd ecm,act, classic music,and i dont like it.The sound is mood,the treble is thin.The version i make is with 8.2k and 5.1k parallel in gain stage and two 250k parallel for another stage,250v b+ and the tubew ecc82,ecc81








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Where do you see the PSU schematic? I heard that they use only a couple RC filtering cells after 6X4 rectifier (no SS diodes) and first cap into 6x4 is 100uf. Owners are changing rectifier tube every few months . I wonder why ;?)
Phono section gets choke filter. Sometimes you have to wonder why thay make that choices. Disgruntled former Kondo dealer on Audio Asylum shares distributor price list and $32k retail M7 preamp cost dealers ONLY $6900 . He commented that he sold Ongaku for $28k and still made a profit. I heard Kondo is only such a "hopla" brand abroad thanks to Peter Qvortrup marketing aforts. In Japan it doesn't have that much recognition, prestige and it's a lot cheaper. Not sure if they sell much in Japan.

PS . That dynamic tube sound rivaling solid state it's an Audio Research signature -somehow nobody makes clones ..

Completely wrong, Fake News. Worthless post.