I would use this configuration for the second stage, second time constant, of an RIAA preamp as shown:
Any comments, some hints?
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Any comments, some hints?
Could it be that simple... !!! ?
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PMA said:No source resistors = high distortion.
At high input levels, yes, but in the case of a line preamp input (not so high levels) it could be ok, and better linearity (high bias, id=Idss).
I must say too, that I draw the last schematic this way because I don’t see any few ohms resistors in the picture (except maybe those 2 between the fets, but not four...).
What is the mechanism a high Rs can increase distortion? What is the optimum value here?
Rüdiger
Rüdiger
Depending on position, design, levels ( complementary, followers, ccs, ) I use between 3.3 and 10 Ohms, often 0 Ohms in ccs.
Sorry missed first part of my last post ???
High Rs means low bias -> so poor linearity and higher noise.
High Rs means low bias -> so poor linearity and higher noise.
High Rs gives low Iq. Zero Rs gives gate current, optimum Rs gives pretty high Iq, but low or no gate current.
is the goal to guess what john is doing and have him confirm it
or
come up with a nice preamp design based on some of john's key principles?
mlloyd1
(who is really digging the discussion! 🙂 )
or
come up with a nice preamp design based on some of john's key principles?
mlloyd1
(who is really digging the discussion! 🙂 )
The real point is WHY John is doing it in a certain way, and perhaps find an even better way of doing it. So far, each example has a serious omission that could effect the sound.
mlloyd1 said:is the goal to guess what john is doing and have him confirm it
or
come up with a nice preamp design based on some of john's key principles?
mlloyd1
(who is really digging the discussion! 🙂 )
It's for you intelligent DIYers to guess and for John to drop a hint and mystify you all the more...🙂 And the legend of the Blowtorch grows...
john curl said:The real point is WHY John is doing it in a certain way...
Bingo!
I like to try to learn from my mistakes. Better still from others.
And people profess not to understand why I listen to John, Nelson, and Charles instead of the endless debate about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin you see when the simulation crowd gets up a good head of steam.
Huh!
Grey
When I ask a question, it is to hear peoples reasons for a certain design decision, not necessarily to clone something.
So thanks for your answers!
Rüdiger
So thanks for your answers!
Rüdiger
A simulation can help you to avoid false tracks. And yes, sometimes it may draw you away from a good solution because "it doesn't sim well". I assume with the simulation crowd you refer only to those who blindly spend all their effort in a sub-ppm THD spec, for the sake of itself (I do this at times just for the fun of it, you may look at it as computer gaming).GRollins said:I like to try to learn from my mistakes. Better still from others.
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... the simulation crowd ...
IMHO simulation with a real-life background from the experimenter is a good partial(!) practical alternative to "breadboarding into the blue", besides the theoretical aspects of understanding circuits better (especially those of other people which you don't fully get just from passively looking at the schematic alone, so why not actively sim it and gain something? I learned a huge amount about discrete audio amplifier design just from simming a few of the zillions of interesting circuits flying around here). One will need to breadboard any successfully simmed circuit anyway, then build a real proto, and the next time you do something similar you probably sim it better in the first place (practial form of feedback, in a sense).
In case that I got your comments wrong, I apologize (I'm not a native speaker)
- Klaus
KSTR said:... "breadboarding into the blue", ... I learned a huge amount about discrete audio amplifier design just from simming a few of the zillions of interesting circuits flying around here). One will need to breadboard any successfully simmed circuit anyway, ...
- Klaus
Exactly...I do it for the same reason. I believe NP and CH sins, er, sims from time to time too...
KSTR said:I assume with the simulation crowd you refer only to those who blindly spend all their effort in a sub-ppm THD spec, for the sake of itself.
🙄 Seriously - just who would that be then?
Sorry, it is just another inane rant against an imaginary opposition.
KSTR said:IMHO simulation with a real-life background from the experimenter is a good partial(!) practical alternative to "breadboarding into the blue", besides the theoretical aspects of understanding circuits better (especially those of other people which you don't fully get just from passively looking at the schematic alone, so why not actively sim it and gain something? I learned a huge amount about discrete audio amplifier design just from simming a few of the zillions of interesting circuits flying around here [/B]
I think that you are speaking into deaf ears. Some people really aren’t interested in learning; they have a terminal bug up their rear with anyone how does, have no ideas of their own worth mentioning and are only interested in mindlessly and conceitedly parroting the convictions of their beloved Messiahs (thinking themselves Holy as well).
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