John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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100 - 99.61696 = 0.38304

0.4 percent times 250 = 1
0.4 versus 0.38304 is > 4.4 percent off
Makes less than 1 in 261 (250 x 4.4 percent is 11)

(I take it calculus is not their forté, neither head count nor calculator)

Which one do you prefer, rounding human body or rounding human IQ?

The result is probably calculated from the real/original number of sample space, giving percentile (and IQ) lower than the stated (140 and 99.61696). But you have to round up the IQ to 140 because there's no decimal in IQ.

IQ=140 ---> one in 261
IQ=139 ---> one in 215
Said percentile is for IQ=140. Respondent's IQ is probably 139.x
 
Hmmmm... What can an organization like Mensa do for you? I mean, what are the advantages of joining such organization?

I have thought that IQ testing is silly...

I have got no idea which is why I didn't join.
Personally I did the test because a year earlier I had meningitis and my brain felt kinda sluggish which is when by chance I found myself chatting to the editor of their magazine who suggested the test.
Felt a bit better when Mensa offered membership but I wish I had done a test before the meningitis for comparison.
 
Said percentile is for IQ=140. Respondent's IQ is probably 139.x

Why Sir, in your line of solid reasoning that there society may has 129.x members, in theory even quite possibly all of thems.

A crying outrage, I says.

(at least one receives a percentile mark with no less than five digits behind the decimal point, without having to resort to financial burdens)
 
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I have got no idea which is why I didn't join.
Personally I did the test because a year earlier I had meningitis and my brain felt kinda sluggish which is when by chance I found myself chatting to the editor of their magazine who suggested the test.
Felt a bit better when Mensa offered membership but I wish I had done a test before the meningitis for comparison.

I was a member of Mensa for some years. Looking back, I would say it was a sort of pre-internet LinkedIn type of club.
What was most interesting to me was that the membership had al kinds of people and just looking at their accomplishments would not tell you they were very intelligent 😀

Jan
 
100 - 99.61696 = 0.38304

0.4 percent times 250 = 1
0.4 versus 0.38304 is > 4.4 percent off
Makes less than 1 in 261 (250 x 4.4 percent is 11)

(I take it calculus is not their forté, neither head count nor calculator)

They may have looked up some of it in tables and journal articles. Not all IQ tests are the same and what is 100 on one test may equate to something a few IQ numbers different on another test. Then they are converted to percentiles. The percentiles calculations take into account variations in what is 100, in other words they are normalized to account for test differences. What "1 in 261" refers to may depend on whether it is taken before or after accounting for what 100 means relative to other tests.

Edit: After reading what Jay said, I like his explanation for this case.
 
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A crying outrage, I says.

I was not defending the claim which, as you have calculated, is wrong:
People with IQ of 140 are approximately 1 in 260 in the population.

I was thinking that they must have used equation or formula in their web, and that formula might calculate from the real/original sample space (Not calculating back from IQ=140, which is obviously the claim)
 
Or you meant to say 140.x, rounded off to 140

Such clubs would make more sense if they encompassed more than merely an assigned 3-digit number.
I gathered there's an entire meat parade of societies for the cerebral endowed (gainful or not), apparently plenty find the tag of great or greatest significance.
 
Or you meant to say 140.x, rounded off to 140

Such clubs would make more sense if they encompassed more than merely an assigned 3-digit number.

Yes, it would. Unfortunately, by charter Mensa is restricted to being a place for people with high IQs to meet up with each other. As a result, they have very high membership attrition rates. The people who stay tend to consist of a small subset if high IQ people who are otherwise relatively undistinguished and unaccomplished. After all, 1 in 50 people are eligible to join. If there were something meaningful going on there, they could have a huge membership, but there isn't and they don't.
 
I was a member of Mensa for some years. Looking back, I would say it was a sort of pre-internet LinkedIn type of club.
What was most interesting to me was that the membership had al kinds of people and just looking at their accomplishments would not tell you they were very intelligent 😀

Jan

That is pretty much what that editor guy told me too: Accomplishments and earnings have very little or no correlation with scoring high on IQ tests.


Years ago there was one series of a game show based on IQ and profession here on TV. As a group politicians, journalists and celebrities scored below average if I remember correctly.
May be that is one of the reasons why there never was a second season.
 
What was most interesting to me was that the membership had all kinds of people and just looking at their accomplishments would not tell you they were very intelligent 😀

Accomplishment and intelligence are obviously 2 different things. Also, you cannot compare a genius accomplishment in 3rd world countries with accomplishments of average intelligence people in US. Actually many geniuses from 3rd world countries found their jobs outside of their own countries.

In 3rd world countries, intelligence means less than it is in your country.

But the trick is actually simple: you have to know your strength and weaknesses and position yourself where your strength will be critically important for your success. If your IQ is high, find a job where success is determined by the ability to solve complex problems. This is mostly in engineering area, especially in contract based projects.

I remember the first months of my job after graduated as an engineer. There was an unending fight between the engineers and the project director (I was in different department), because the director found the solution was not logical, but the engineers also couldn't explain why. Then one day I proactively came to the director room (to end the fight). I said "Sir, you are wrong". He was surprised but let me to explain. After my explanation and debate, he was quiet for a moment and then said "I want you to work in my team starting tomorrow morning. You will be a supervisor."...

In non-complex job positions (usually in small companies), IQ is not required. Better is the ability to make the boss (or company owner) happy 😀 Well, it is not a secret in personnel management that intelligent people are not easy to deal with.
 
Should we calculate the real IQ? I just looked at this relationship between IQ and Rarity:

141 ---> 1/319
140 ---> 1/261
139 ---> 1/215

So rarity of 1/260 should correspond to IQ slightly below 140, i.e 139.x

That is a lot of effort calculating 'results' from a standard sample form designed to make you spend money for the real result or are you just checking the sites math for correctness?
 
That is a lot of effort calculating 'results' from a standard sample form designed to make you spend money for the real result or are you just checking the sites math for correctness?

I don't know what you mean...

I just checked the web for the rarity table (from here: http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx) and indeed it says 261 as Jacco suggested. I did a cross check by calculating with the base formulas and it was a correct number...

But 260 must come from somewhere, and I guess it is from the real sample space that will give IQ slightly below 140.

to make you spend money for the real result

If I understand you correctly, I will explain this:

IQ calculation is simple Math. What is complex is the sample space or population. With different sample space, IQ=120 in your test will not be the same intelligent with IQ=120 in other tests. This is why people want to have their test well correlated with test conducted by Mensa.

My lowest IQ score was 125. That looks very small, but that score was the highest from all the smartest students from all elementary schools in the state. All others being 9 years old and I was the only one being 7 years old... (I didn't understand why it is that low, but now I know that some test protocols are designed to measure IQ only up to a certain maximum value.)
 
I don't know what you mean...

I just checked the web for the rarity table (from here: http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx) and indeed it says 261 as Jacco suggested. I did a cross check by calculating with the base formulas and it was a correct number...

But 260 must come from somewhere, and I guess it is from the real sample space that will give IQ slightly below 140.



If I understand you correctly, I will explain this:

IQ calculation is simple Math. What is complex is the sample space or population. With different sample space, IQ=120 in your test will not be the same intelligent with IQ=120 in other tests. This is why people want to have their test well correlated with test conducted by Mensa.

My lowest IQ score was 125. That looks very small, but that score was the highest from all the smartest students from all elementary schools in the state. All others being 9 years old and I was the only one being 7 years old... (I didn't understand why it is that low, but now I know that some test protocols are designed to measure IQ only up to a certain maximum value.)

Point being that nobody here did the test and got a 140 result but at least we now know that the sites example seems to be correctly calculated.
I did the test but do not know my actual result because I did not pay €10 to get it.
Quite pleased really since 140 is almost 12% lower than the result I got from doing the Mensa test some years ago. Had me worried there. ;-)
 
Point being that nobody here did the test and got a 140 result but at least we now know that the sites example seems to be correctly calculated.
I did the test but do not know my actual result because I did not pay €10 to get it.
Quite pleased really since 140 is almost 12% lower than the result I got from doing the Mensa test some years ago. Had me worried there. ;-)

A lot time ago, I took the Mensa tests. They administered two tests, CTMM and a version of Catterall. The results between the two tests differed by 8 points, and it was the lower IQ number test that corresponded to a higher percentile score (i.e. the test giving the lower IQ number was actually the better score). My point is we have to be careful about comparing exact IQ numbers from one test to another. And even on the same test, it is possible for IQ number to differ as much as 10 points if taking the test at different times. That's usually given as the maximum though, more often it's less, maybe within 2-3 points for the same test.
 
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