I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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gedlee said:
And how does that answer the question about audibility? I've measured some amps with a lot of hum and noise, but mostly its not a problem. It just seems to me that your points, while I don't doubt their validity, seem somewhat academic.
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Consider the test setup. When the battery powered source is NOT driving the system, then the measurement will only see hum and noise.

When the battery powered source is driving the power amplifier, the measurement obtained will be the result of the power drawn by the amplifier and coupled into the input loop.

The first case is a simple hum and noise test.

The second is the geometric reaction to the energies being bandied about.

If the second produces measureable results, then you are seeing a distortion mechanism which clearly alters the musical content that the power stage will see. It is a result of the wiring around the devices, the internal couplings of the source and amplifier, and the odd harmonic power draw of the amplifier itself.

None of this is measureable when the components are seperated. The wire does not create it, nor the source, nor the amp.

It is the connection of the three that does it, and only when significant power is drawn.

Cheers, John
 
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Panicos K said:
I know that an accurate system will reproduce a bad recording......bad.🙂 No confusion here.
What I meant is that none of us has to listen to such recordings as they are.
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Absolutely, We have to do what we can to improve those recordings.

You believe that cables improve bad recordings, I think EQing improve bad recordings.

I must be a pain to swap cables for every different flaw in those recordings? 😉
 
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Hi neededandwanted,
In a DC current, the electrical energy travels at nearly the speed of light, but the electrons themselves move at a seriously slower rate -- effectively a few feet per HOUR (really).

In an AC current, like the signal going to the speakers, the polarity keeps reversing so the electrons never get very far before going back the other direction. Basically, most of the electrons in your speaker wire are the same electrons that were in there when the wire was manufactured.
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I think that we should all recondition our speaker wire by replacing the electrons periodically. Hook them up to a DC source for a bit each year. You could charge for that service. :devilr:

I could suggest some other things to use this for, but that would just be stirring the pot! 😉

-Chris
 
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jlsem said:
I'm glad someone else here can see that wild claims concerning testing on humans (one billion participants?!!) are no less wrong than some cable ad claims.

John
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Lol, uniformed tests are done daily. Subjectivity is at work 24/7.

From Cameras showing people choosing products based on bias to the blind taste tests from win to Coke vs pepsi that happen around the world. From golf ball testing to diet pills.

I stand behing that One billion number.easily.

Bias has a presents and to argue against this is about as wild as you can get in the realm of logic.
 
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markus76 said:
Yes, but first you would need to stop looking at my comments as "trite sideswipes". There might be one or two things I know about audio.
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There might be one or two things you know about audio but, denials to the contrary, the bulk of your posts are indeed trite sideswipes. You seem to be under the illusion that the believers are trying to convert you and the other deniers to their way of thinking in regard to cables, and as such you demand that the believers provide proof that they hear differences, but the problem with that little scenario is that the believers for the most part don't really care whether or not you hear cabling differences or not. The prevailing believer's attitude is that if you hear differences, then great, and if you don't hear differences, then that's OK too. To each his own. Live and let live. End of story.

But I suspect that there some amongst us that like to be the center of attention, and seeing as it's difficult to argue with the live-and-let-live attitude that the believers practice, then the only way to stay in the game is to make trite sideswipes towards the other thread participants and what they have to say. Instead of being an *** and driving away those that want to engage in civil discourse in regard to cables, why not go listen to some music instead? Or is your system so unresolving and boring that it's not pleasurable to listen to music through it, so you instead get your jollies belittling those who don't hold the same opinions and beliefs in regard to cabling that you do?
 
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doug20 said:
Absolutely, We have to do what we can to improve those recordings.

You believe that cables improve bad recordings, I think EQing improve bad recordings.

I must be a pain to swap cables for every different flaw in those recordings? 😉
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I consider mix and match of speaker A to Amplifier B,a form of "EQing",and the cables I use,also a good match to my system and taste.Where do you not agree?🙂 My speakers cost 3 tmes more than my turntable,cd player,amplifier and cables put together.None of my equipment suffers imo more than the systems of most here😀
 
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