Ha ha. True. Well, you could always stick some chewing gum to the seat of your sofa and things like that to recapture the full joy of it.
I disagree in that I think most hifi does not portray the sound experience well at all. I can only say this because I have heard some equipment that really does a much better job and it has convinced me that even the humble CD can contain so much more of that "magical music" than I ever realised. But, from personal experience, you have to be a very dissatisfied/determined designer or throw a lot of money at it or both.
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Well when I am listening to an orchestra live, with no electronic aids other than the lighting I don't go 'wow that is so accurate' or 'the soundstage is amazing' . The number of hifi demos that are ear-piercingly bright and horribly loud suggests that the target market equates that with some measure of 'accuracy' or 'goodness'. It's like the 4k TV demos with ridiculous over-saturation of colours.
I have no issues with people preferring something that does not sound like the real thing, as long as they don't claim what they like is somehow more lifelike.
I have no issues with people preferring something that does not sound like the real thing, as long as they don't claim what they like is somehow more lifelike.
The platters from tt of the 80s are spring loaded, light, from different materials, tone arms are relatively heavy and they spin with a variable angle with the cartridge due to the spring platter construction.
Lighter tone arm increase dynamics, which can only be paired with a solidly fixed rotating platter free of springs.
I don't think the phono stage is responsible for the 'slow' dynamics of the said system.
This problem is associated with flexible/moving spring platters with stiff/typical 80s tone arm.
Lighter tone arm increase dynamics, which can only be paired with a solidly fixed rotating platter free of springs.
I don't think the phono stage is responsible for the 'slow' dynamics of the said system.
This problem is associated with flexible/moving spring platters with stiff/typical 80s tone arm.
Yes, so maybe the OP is seeking an expander - or a preamp which accidentally includes some expansion or some proxy for expansion.davidsrb said:
Yes. When someone says they want 'slam' or 'prat' (or any other poorly-defined 'I like it' audio terms) I assume they don't want genuine hi-fi and they rarely hear live acoustic music.billshurv said:
Sorry, but the good ones are not. My dd-TT has a 6.5Kg Platter and a heavy plinth with serious dampping and a very good arm...
Speak for yourself. My turntable is not spring loaded and was made in the 80s. A lot of Rega owners might want a word with you as well.
Pish.
This a belief or you have a testable hypothesis here?
Rega modern tt have not this springy type of platter like in denon, Aiwa, teac, AudioTechnica, DJ's type of turn tables.
Yes I 'tested this hypothesis at audio stores, takes many days to compare different turn tables, at home I had 3 turn tables to try and the fix heavy platter has better dynamics.
Yes I 'tested this hypothesis at audio stores, takes many days to compare different turn tables, at home I had 3 turn tables to try and the fix heavy platter has better dynamics.
I agree. So I'd say the realistic system is neither dull all the time nor strident all the time, but is whatever the recording dictates including both concurrently. Eg: a grand piano can be played softly or with startling dynamic attack or both concurrently and anything in between. The hifi needs to convey whatever the piano is expressing without changing it or diminishing it. Diminished dynamics is a pretty common shortcoming.
The thread started off with the premise that the preamp was too dull. I agree with you that some equipment can sound strident (either by incompetence or design) which is also inaccurate.
the springy platter are 'light' and wobble a lot and create a lot of problems accentuating vinyl disk imperfection and prone to resonances from the environment.
They have one big advantage, a cheap bearing, cheap drive system and cheap to ship.
To counter the resonances and induced low frequency micro phonics of the light platter they load it on spring with a heavier tone arm which can follow the jumping vinyl.
This poor level of mass inertia, direct drive weak motor and springy construction dampens the music dynamics as well as high frequency content, enabling lower quality cartridges.
They have one big advantage, a cheap bearing, cheap drive system and cheap to ship.
To counter the resonances and induced low frequency micro phonics of the light platter they load it on spring with a heavier tone arm which can follow the jumping vinyl.
This poor level of mass inertia, direct drive weak motor and springy construction dampens the music dynamics as well as high frequency content, enabling lower quality cartridges.
Boys, it seems good to me that each one of you understands and thinks differently.
But I have said it before.
With the same horrible turntable Aiwa AP-2400 - Manual - Auto Return Turntable - Vinyl Engine (I'm already commissioning a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit SB from Amazon, which will improve on something, Gabdx is right), with the same cartridge and with the same rest of the audio chain, the same decart charge (47k and the capacitance of the cable, without load capacitor in the circuit) there are differences in dynamic range.
Of course, it does not compare to listening to live music or the dynamic range of a well-recorded CD.
But enough quotes with the intention of attacking or leaving me as mentally retarded, because I'm not.
I am simply a doctor who took out my stress by listening to music and experimenting with DIY projects and that in order to build them I learned something, not to the point, of course, from what an electronic engineer can learn.
That's why the silly question "How to get good dynamics in the phono stage". For Spaceistheplace, who says that I need more time in the forum, I tell him that I've been in the forum for 1 month longer than him.
Keep reading, I keep learning and correcting concept mistakes.
Greetings have been very kind some of you.
But I have said it before.
With the same horrible turntable Aiwa AP-2400 - Manual - Auto Return Turntable - Vinyl Engine (I'm already commissioning a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit SB from Amazon, which will improve on something, Gabdx is right), with the same cartridge and with the same rest of the audio chain, the same decart charge (47k and the capacitance of the cable, without load capacitor in the circuit) there are differences in dynamic range.
Of course, it does not compare to listening to live music or the dynamic range of a well-recorded CD.
But enough quotes with the intention of attacking or leaving me as mentally retarded, because I'm not.
I am simply a doctor who took out my stress by listening to music and experimenting with DIY projects and that in order to build them I learned something, not to the point, of course, from what an electronic engineer can learn.
That's why the silly question "How to get good dynamics in the phono stage". For Spaceistheplace, who says that I need more time in the forum, I tell him that I've been in the forum for 1 month longer than him.
Keep reading, I keep learning and correcting concept mistakes.
Greetings have been very kind some of you.
Now we have dynamics of turntable and dynamics of phono stage. Which component comes next?
(I am convinced that a horn loadspeaker has the best dynamics among loudspeakers)
(I am convinced that a horn loadspeaker has the best dynamics among loudspeakers)
Dynamics of cables?
We are going to use a wind tunnel to conduct a blind testing (A/B/X) of ribbon cables.
Results could be surprising. As it appears simple, dynamics of the phono stage is like jewelry, loading, cables, input, all could have major effects.
On the Pro-ject, do you have an audio shop? purchasing audio products online... I just hope it will be an improvement and a step in the right direction to better assess the performance of phono stages! Good luck.
No, isn't obvious that the platter on the Linn is heavier, sturdier than the platter on the Aiwa?
I know someone who owns the Linn setup, I owned Aiwa products before and I know they are junk.
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