I guess its all about taste, personally I find beauty in curves with both my women and my speakers 😀
Who really thinks a box with a hole is beauty?
Ive seen on the web Altec 816 clones made with a real timber finish, and it looks sweet!
Build your own 816
OK, well can we get back on track please.
I siad it once I don'y want to loudest freskin speaker built I'm looking for bass.At the most I porbably won't be playing these anywhere over 95-100db ( I got a db meter from Radioshack and measured my current system ) I was atinished to find out it barely goes above 90 or so db, and to me that's plenty loud.
So this project isn't for super-gigantic loudess, just super-gigantic bass. So where was the post before?
Something to do with the rigght crossover to use, I think.
I siad it once I don'y want to loudest freskin speaker built I'm looking for bass.At the most I porbably won't be playing these anywhere over 95-100db ( I got a db meter from Radioshack and measured my current system ) I was atinished to find out it barely goes above 90 or so db, and to me that's plenty loud.
So this project isn't for super-gigantic loudess, just super-gigantic bass. So where was the post before?
Something to do with the rigght crossover to use, I think.
Mr. Punk,
Be sure that Rat Shack meter is in the "C" mode. If you were in "A" mode, you just cut all the bass you wanted to measure.
BTW, how far were you from your speakers?
Be sure that Rat Shack meter is in the "C" mode. If you were in "A" mode, you just cut all the bass you wanted to measure.
BTW, how far were you from your speakers?
punkrokr1701 said:
Back around page 45 or so I think we settled on drivers. Two of the 18"s, the Eminence 12 (without whizzer), and the selenium tweeter. The next step was coming up with a box design.
Any luck getting WinISD set up? You could also look for Unibox; I hear it's also good (and free to use if you have Excel installed), but a little harde to use.
The other task at hand is sorting out a crossover. It looks like the Behringers are really out of the question for the time being, so it will definitely need to be passive for mid/tweeter. We'll need to see if we can find a cheap and easy active for the mid/bass.
How about if you start with some drawings of the mid box? Make it about 20 inches wide, and as tall as you need to fit the horn and the mid. You should shoot for one cubic foot volume, and you can get all of the cutout information on Partsexpress.
A good passive crossover takes box geometry into account. I've never designed one and I don't have the software, but I've read enough about it to know that you can't just do a cookie-cutter crossover and expect it to sound fantastic. I'm hoping there's still someone out there reading who will help make it right.
Oh, and one more thing- since it doesn't look like we'll have the fancy digital crossover, it might be a good idea to get a graphic equalizer. Tuning the bass to your liking will involve several things, and EQ will be a big help in the end.
As I have mentioned, it might be best to design the bass boxes first , because they will affect the mid/tweet box width and depth...if you plan to stack them which can only assume you would..
Hi,
try to find those corner protectors of moulded heavy duty plastic that allow non slip stacking.
try to find those corner protectors of moulded heavy duty plastic that allow non slip stacking.
joe carrow said:
There are plenty of active crossovers on eBay. Behringer, Rane, DBX, BBE, to name but a few.
Figure between $80-$150, more or less.
Also check the usual sources, music stores. Got to be plenty of those where you live. Might be a better way to shop.
Come up with some box drawings, then we can move ahead. They don't have to be fancy, just pencil sketches will do.
Hey guys,
as far the speakers I'm not gonna make a cabinet for each seprate part. I'm gonna buil two pieces one with the tweeter, mid-range and one woofer, and another with the second woofer.
This will save me material and make the wiring easier.
I'm not making them as wide as in panamaniac's picture, they'll be about 20 inches wide, and I'm doing them in the same color scheme as the magna claudes.
Pana, what did you use to get those images? and can I get it?
as far the speakers I'm not gonna make a cabinet for each seprate part. I'm gonna buil two pieces one with the tweeter, mid-range and one woofer, and another with the second woofer.
This will save me material and make the wiring easier.
I'm not making them as wide as in panamaniac's picture, they'll be about 20 inches wide, and I'm doing them in the same color scheme as the magna claudes.
Pana, what did you use to get those images? and can I get it?
"As far as experience goes, I've built these
http://www.wadsnet.com/~dtenney/dayton_8MTM.htm
they sounded great but after a while I got bored with em so I sold them to a friend for $250 apiece after I added a modifications such as a new crossover and a side firing 8 inch powered subwoofer and it's own on-board amp.
And after I sold those off, I bought a set of white van speakers, but when I realized I was scammed I took the speaker out of the cabinet bought some good speakers for it, modified the cabinet for the speakers rebuilt the bottom section for a 10 inch subwoofer and purchased a new crossover for it."
Disclaimer: I couldn't bear to read every post. After page 14 I was done.
He lies , won't listen to reason , and has absolutely NO CLUE what anyone here has said.
My advice ? Go buy some 15" Cerwin Vegas and turn up the bass and loudness on your 50watt JVC surround sound receiver. Thats all folks......................Nihilist
http://www.wadsnet.com/~dtenney/dayton_8MTM.htm
they sounded great but after a while I got bored with em so I sold them to a friend for $250 apiece after I added a modifications such as a new crossover and a side firing 8 inch powered subwoofer and it's own on-board amp.
And after I sold those off, I bought a set of white van speakers, but when I realized I was scammed I took the speaker out of the cabinet bought some good speakers for it, modified the cabinet for the speakers rebuilt the bottom section for a 10 inch subwoofer and purchased a new crossover for it."
Disclaimer: I couldn't bear to read every post. After page 14 I was done.
He lies , won't listen to reason , and has absolutely NO CLUE what anyone here has said.
My advice ? Go buy some 15" Cerwin Vegas and turn up the bass and loudness on your 50watt JVC surround sound receiver. Thats all folks......................Nihilist
Hi Nih,
You should have read on.
Punk has begun to show he is prepared to learn by listening (well reading) and researching and more importantly trying to understand what is going on in his chosen subject. If only we school teachers could generate the same enthusiasm in all our pupils and for all their projects as shown by Punk (but these early teenagers seem to know it all and have insufficient knowledge to recognise they know very little).
He has changed and to such an extent, I have started contributing again.
You should have read on.
Punk has begun to show he is prepared to learn by listening (well reading) and researching and more importantly trying to understand what is going on in his chosen subject. If only we school teachers could generate the same enthusiasm in all our pupils and for all their projects as shown by Punk (but these early teenagers seem to know it all and have insufficient knowledge to recognise they know very little).
He has changed and to such an extent, I have started contributing again.
punkrokr1701 said:
punkrokr1701 said:
Hmmm..... almost saw the light for a minute.
Quantity does not give you quality. Quality sounds good.
Anyway the peak to mean power ratio of compressed POP is
around 10dB, decent recordings around 20dB and high quality
recordings around 30dB.
Normal comfortable listening levels are 75 to 80 dB average.
So to play a excellent quality recording at 90dB average you
need to be able to deal with 120dB peaks without clipping,
noting that most of these are in the midrange, peak bass
and treble levels are usually kept in check by some means.
http://www.lansingheritage.org/html/jbl/specs/home-speakers/1979-l150.htm
With a 100W+ amplifier is all any domestic situation would ever
need, including parties, quality wise it would comphrehensively
slaughter every speaker so far mentioned in this thread, and its
acoustic design is far more domestic room and domestic listening
position friendly.
I'd give up on the design lark, you obviously don't have a clue
about loudspeaker design and acoustic design, neither it seems
do half the contributors to this thread, trouble is they think they
do. ( IMO as ever a little knowledge is the most dangerous.)
I'd go down the clone or rebuild a classic loudspeaker route.
🙂/sreten.
P.S. There is no such thing as "super-gigantic bass". There is high
quality deep bass reproduction which is a pleasure to listen to.
A high quality system is simply truthful. You can't add something
that not there without making it worse.
Hi,
High Fidelity in it's true sense is what a few strive for, but unfortunately the term has been hi-jacked by all and sundry and can be relied on for nothing other than noise.
Punk's definition of better or worse depends on his requirements, irrespective of what the music makers (recording artists & producers/technicians) intended.
If he wants prodigious bass where it isn't on the original and the system cannot meet his requirement then in his eyes (ears) it has failed.
I suspect a few years down the line, his views will not have changed. But add a few decades to his age and then ask him about High Fidelity and you may get an answer nearer what you erroniously concluded.
I agree with the sentiment but not the conclusion.
High Fidelity in it's true sense is what a few strive for, but unfortunately the term has been hi-jacked by all and sundry and can be relied on for nothing other than noise.
Punk's definition of better or worse depends on his requirements, irrespective of what the music makers (recording artists & producers/technicians) intended.
If he wants prodigious bass where it isn't on the original and the system cannot meet his requirement then in his eyes (ears) it has failed.
I suspect a few years down the line, his views will not have changed. But add a few decades to his age and then ask him about High Fidelity and you may get an answer nearer what you erroniously concluded.
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