Man, imagine Axel Rose...im listening to now....I want this speaker😡
Noo, guys... I dont normally.....just the radio😀
Noo, guys... I dont normally.....just the radio😀
Well, thins is interjection but just so you guys know due to our bad nrighboorhood the Denon has been put up in storage so now I have ro imrovise with my current system. I'm using that old amp/ A/V reciever now.
Here's some pics of what my current system looks like. It'll take a few post to show it all.
Here's some pics of what my current system looks like. It'll take a few post to show it all.
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Yes, there are a number of nice coaxials out there -Tannoy, Altec and others. But I think the last part of your quote is key. It's going to be hard for us to design that on paper. Remember, none of us will ever hear this speaker! Tweaking it is gonna be hard.
If Punkrokr went with a nice coax for the mid/hi it would sure make life easy for us. But I don't know if it's in the budget or the overall look of what he wants.
I have tried to cross my Selenium D210s down around 1.5K and didn't like the sound of it. Certainly has some very nice qualities, but there was a ragged edge to it that overwhelmed the good parts. But I use a small horn. That's why I was asking who has used the 210 with a larger horn that will load the driver lower.
I may try to get the 210s onto my Altec 811 horns and have a listen. No problem for the 811 horn to go down as low as 800Hz.
If the Selenium 210 will work well on the right horn down to about 1500-1600Hz, then using a 10 or 12" mid shouldn't be a problem, right?
It wouldn't be too expensive if the Hammer 8s are used. They are at a great price right now.
So maybe in a week or two we can settle on a mid/horn solution. 😉
The we can open up a whole new can of worms - the 18 inch driver.
the rear right, yes it's missing a tweeter but I soon plat to replace it. I temporaly taped over the whole to keep the speaker soundin good. The rears are Sharp CP-9000, my dad's first pair of actual "3-way speaker" which was also my first set. The front is my first sytem, about a year os so old now. The amp as I said before has built in crossover so the back has 5 outputs, two for the high, two for the low, and one seperate for the subwoofer, which is a 6 inch.
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and those speakers the panasonic POS's are sitting on are white van speakers, Skyline "Proffesional" Image 900SL or whatever, the exact same model I was ripped off on but I sold that and then a friend was ripped off my the same pair who got me so he let me have them since I have already dealed with them. They are not running they are more for show.
They are somethig else I want to dicuss in here but that'll be later on.
They are somethig else I want to dicuss in here but that'll be later on.
We were talking about a one inch horn driver. A two inch horn driver that actually goes up to higher tweeter frequencies is rather expensive. AND the poingt of two inch is that it goes lower than a one inch and wil cross over better with say, a 15" driver. Actually any 2" driver is pretty expensive in my experience, AND lot of those are more mid-high drivers and are used with another horn for the highest frequencies.
One thing I know is we don't want to add another "way" to the crossover!
oh so theye use 15" mids to? or is that straight to woofer? and 15' mid is " My bag, baby!"- Austin Powers lol
Is this the room where you'll usually be listening to these?
The Magna Cum Laude *or* the "Blue" project would be enormous in this environment.
I had a larger room (two desks, a queen sized bed/futon, and drum set) in my fraternity house, and some mass-loaded transmission lines with the Beta 8 were louder than heck. They didn't rock the bass, but they weren't supposed to. If you built the Blue project, it would get crazy loud in there.
Honestly, the project we're discussing here is only going to get a little louder than the Blue, and you'd need a solid 1000 watts to get there. I say just build the Blue, and when your budget allows, spend the money on quality amps. I know you want huge bass, but if you build two 15" sonosubs to go with these, you'll have more bass than you know what to do with.
The Magna Cum Laude *or* the "Blue" project would be enormous in this environment.
I had a larger room (two desks, a queen sized bed/futon, and drum set) in my fraternity house, and some mass-loaded transmission lines with the Beta 8 were louder than heck. They didn't rock the bass, but they weren't supposed to. If you built the Blue project, it would get crazy loud in there.
Honestly, the project we're discussing here is only going to get a little louder than the Blue, and you'd need a solid 1000 watts to get there. I say just build the Blue, and when your budget allows, spend the money on quality amps. I know you want huge bass, but if you build two 15" sonosubs to go with these, you'll have more bass than you know what to do with.
Well, also my current system I have two of them. The one in the pics and a Logitech Z-5300e. The living room system goes considerbly louder but the Logitech sounds better and it's subwoofer goes louder with bass before distortion overall than the living room system. But of cousre the Lopgitech is in my room which is smallerr than the living room.
which in a since has tought me something, quality>quanity. It's that simple.
No we will be moving soon and the room will be at least 3x that size
P.S. I love Loudspeakers plus
which in a since has tought me something, quality>quanity. It's that simple.
No we will be moving soon and the room will be at least 3x that size
P.S. I love Loudspeakers plus
NEWS FLASH!!
The Selenuim WPU1805 is on sale right now at Speaker City USA.
Only $119 each.
That should make Variac and Cal happy, as they are both fans of the WPU series.
Heck, I'd buy a pair if I had somewhere to stash 'em.
The Selenuim WPU1805 is on sale right now at Speaker City USA.
Only $119 each.
That should make Variac and Cal happy, as they are both fans of the WPU series.
Heck, I'd buy a pair if I had somewhere to stash 'em.
Well... the 12" mid is slowly fading away., but let's take one moment to look at it and then think of me and my style for the big stuff
well, I did have areally good drawing of what the speaker would of look like but it says that that file is an invalid attachement. If anyonw wants to see what took me about 30 minutes to do let me know and I'll email it to you if it'll let me do that.
Scratch that, I took this with my camera and then uploaded it so forgive me if it's kinda blurry, the best I could do for now.
well, I did have areally good drawing of what the speaker would of look like but it says that that file is an invalid attachement. If anyonw wants to see what took me about 30 minutes to do let me know and I'll email it to you if it'll let me do that.Scratch that, I took this with my camera and then uploaded it so forgive me if it's kinda blurry, the best I could do for now.
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Very exciting to see you making an effort here. That is a great way to visualize them.
One problem people sometimes have is that files to be posted have to be less than 100k.
Those Selenium 18" drivers are a bargain at the price!
They don't go quite as low as the ones you first chose, BUT the bass you are interested in is MUCH higher than the lows either driver can produce, so the Seleniums would be fine. Also because of this, the Seleniums appear to be able to work with a somewhat smaller box. which means they don't have to be as deep front to back. Helpful in any room!!
If you get them you will be amazed and the construction - they are massive!. Maybe you should just order the 4 now so they don't get away, if no one has great objections..
One problem people sometimes have is that files to be posted have to be less than 100k.
Those Selenium 18" drivers are a bargain at the price!
They don't go quite as low as the ones you first chose, BUT the bass you are interested in is MUCH higher than the lows either driver can produce, so the Seleniums would be fine. Also because of this, the Seleniums appear to be able to work with a somewhat smaller box. which means they don't have to be as deep front to back. Helpful in any room!!
If you get them you will be amazed and the construction - they are massive!. Maybe you should just order the 4 now so they don't get away, if no one has great objections..
P.S. MAke the cabinets at least 3" wider on all sides than the driver- They will sound better and be easier to work with. So the box should be at 24" wide at least. Time to add some 3" paper strips around that mock-up!
No worried though I was just being creative and letting my imagination go for it. This is NOT anything I'm considering.
It's great to see you coming up with some images! That's the spirit.
I see just a few "rule of thumb" things to try, maybe other people have more experience, and don't think these are rules of thumb. Anyway, here they are:
-Try to keep port openings at least one port radius away from any internal wall. One diameter or more is better.
-Keep the tweeter at ear level. The first image you posted, the speaker on the right looks good. The orientation it's in is good for sitting on the couch, flip it upside down for parties. Good job.
-Compartmentalize the inside. Those woofers can't all be in a connected airspace. The woofers will mess up the mid, the enclosure is tall enough to get some serious problems with standing waves and other weird resonances.
Also, one other thing- now that you have a good idea how what size these guys are going to be, how about figuring out how much they'll weigh? I'll go take a shot at it, but maybe you should too.
I see just a few "rule of thumb" things to try, maybe other people have more experience, and don't think these are rules of thumb. Anyway, here they are:
-Try to keep port openings at least one port radius away from any internal wall. One diameter or more is better.
-Keep the tweeter at ear level. The first image you posted, the speaker on the right looks good. The orientation it's in is good for sitting on the couch, flip it upside down for parties. Good job.
-Compartmentalize the inside. Those woofers can't all be in a connected airspace. The woofers will mess up the mid, the enclosure is tall enough to get some serious problems with standing waves and other weird resonances.
Also, one other thing- now that you have a good idea how what size these guys are going to be, how about figuring out how much they'll weigh? I'll go take a shot at it, but maybe you should too.
Ok, as a rough calculation, I assumed you're using 3/4 inch thick wood with a density of about .024 pounds per cubic inch. If the speakers are 6 feet tall, 22 inches wide, 24 inches deep, and has a couple of braces in it to partition it off... it looks like about 160 to 175 pounds of wood per speaker.
With two 18" woofers, you're looking at 56 pounds of woofers, 11 pounds for a 12" midwoofer, and 7 pounds for the tweeter and waveguide. I'll be generous and assume that you're going to house the crossovers in external boxes.
All this adds up to nearly 250 pounds per speaker. That's how much I weighed in college. Overall, it's going to be extremely awkward to move these speakers anywhere, but if you and a brother or your father are both healthy and strong, you won't have to build them in place.
For the record, I still think you're best off making this modular. On the other hand, if you live in a bad neighborhood and it gets out that you have awesome speakers.... the 250 pound beasts will be that much harder to steal.
With two 18" woofers, you're looking at 56 pounds of woofers, 11 pounds for a 12" midwoofer, and 7 pounds for the tweeter and waveguide. I'll be generous and assume that you're going to house the crossovers in external boxes.
All this adds up to nearly 250 pounds per speaker. That's how much I weighed in college. Overall, it's going to be extremely awkward to move these speakers anywhere, but if you and a brother or your father are both healthy and strong, you won't have to build them in place.
For the record, I still think you're best off making this modular. On the other hand, if you live in a bad neighborhood and it gets out that you have awesome speakers.... the 250 pound beasts will be that much harder to steal.
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