I'm happy to do that 😉. Was this /your request actually meant and expressed as an order?It has great potential for improvement, when you built the first prototype, please report back.
Once again I would like to point out that you are on my ignore list - it's incredibly exhausting to temporarily not let you go uncommented.
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Reminder:
This thread is not, and I emphasize not, about the powerful MicroCap12 tool, but about L.Stellema's circuit proposal.
HBt.
So this will work in your environment exclusively.
In LTSpice I can add models as text into the schematic making it portable.
In LTSpice I can add models as text into the schematic making it portable.
MC12 can do that too.In LTSpice I can add models as text into the schematic making it portable.
It does not make any sense. I don´t know which models are missing in anybody´s Library. It would mean I had to add every transistor manually.No way, it is on you to deliver a working cir. That is your homework, not mine.
Just copy that lib to your folder, takes 30 seconds.
I do that exactly one time
That .cir has the models inserted on the text page. ...hope it works
You can also insert them manually on the bottom of the schematic page, click Text, scroll down and paste at the end
.MODEL BD203 NPN(Is=457.5f Xti=3 Eg=1.11 Vaf=50 Bf=156.7 Ise=1.346p Ne=1.34 Ikf=3.296 Nk=.5961 Xtb=2.2 Br=7.639 Isc=604.1f Nc=2.168 Ikr=8.131m Rc=91.29m Cjc=278.7p Mjc=.385 Vjc=.75 Fc=.5 Cje=433p Mje=.5 Vje=.75 Tr=1.412u Tf=37.34n Itf=35.68 Xtf=1.163 Vtf=10 Rb=.1)
.MODEL BD204 PNP(Is=66.19f Xti=3 Eg=1.11 Vaf=100 Bf=137.6 Ise=862.2f Ne=1.481 Ikf=1.642 Nk=.5695 Xtb=2 Br=5.88 Isc=273.5f Nc=1.24 Ikr=3.555 Rc=79.39m Cjc=870.4p Mjc=.6481 Vjc=.75 Fc=.5 Cje=390.1p Mje=.4343 Vje=.75 Tr=235.4n Tf=23.21n Itf=71.33 Xtf=5.982 Vtf=10 Rb=.1)
That .cir has the models inserted on the text page. ...hope it works
You can also insert them manually on the bottom of the schematic page, click Text, scroll down and paste at the end
.MODEL BD203 NPN(Is=457.5f Xti=3 Eg=1.11 Vaf=50 Bf=156.7 Ise=1.346p Ne=1.34 Ikf=3.296 Nk=.5961 Xtb=2.2 Br=7.639 Isc=604.1f Nc=2.168 Ikr=8.131m Rc=91.29m Cjc=278.7p Mjc=.385 Vjc=.75 Fc=.5 Cje=433p Mje=.5 Vje=.75 Tr=1.412u Tf=37.34n Itf=35.68 Xtf=1.163 Vtf=10 Rb=.1)
.MODEL BD204 PNP(Is=66.19f Xti=3 Eg=1.11 Vaf=100 Bf=137.6 Ise=862.2f Ne=1.481 Ikf=1.642 Nk=.5695 Xtb=2 Br=5.88 Isc=273.5f Nc=1.24 Ikr=3.555 Rc=79.39m Cjc=870.4p Mjc=.6481 Vjc=.75 Fc=.5 Cje=390.1p Mje=.4343 Vje=.75 Tr=235.4n Tf=23.21n Itf=71.33 Xtf=5.982 Vtf=10 Rb=.1)
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I have created a new thread for you, please solve the corresponding problems there.
I'll stick to the traditional old SPICE.
Tutorial MC12
thx,
HBt.
I have created a new thread for you, please solve the corresponding problems there.
I'll stick to the traditional old SPICE.
Tutorial MC12
thx,
HBt.
Agreed. I am not interested in another simulating software, LTSpice works and is widely accepted.
If someone wants me to simulate a circuit, I will accept a running LTSpice asc-file -
and not fiddle with anything like missing component models.
If someone wants me to simulate a circuit, I will accept a running LTSpice asc-file -
and not fiddle with anything like missing component models.
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You try turn everything around to your liking.-10dB means:
changed from 0.003% to an incredible 0.001% at any /witch? point in the THD(a function of ...).
Responsible for this astonishing improvement of this metric is not the type of coupling (we distinguish between dc-coupling, ac-coupling, coupling by means of a base BJT circuit and diode or Z-diode coupling), but the higher gain factor of your throw in the open loop is the cause. Not the Z!
I have written "zdiode vas" that means the whole circuit including zdiodes and other possible modifications.:
I put in the zdiodes primarily to get rid of the coupling caps.In my schematic, the criticized zdiode vas has about 10dB better THD than the AC coupled VAS from hbt´s latest schematic.
Did you find out what is wrong with your VAS?
Please explain in detail with reference to your schematic. Thank you!Responsible for this astonishing improvement of this metric is ... the higher gain factor of your throw in the open loop is the cause. Not the Z!

The schematic is not so complex, 15min of work to set it up in LTSpice?I will accept a running LTSpice asc-file -
and not fiddle with anything like missing component models.
I did this before as you can read in upper posts. With the expected result that the circuit did not work.
So I gave it a last chance and installed you sim software to check your original.
Which did not work. And looking at MC - the GUI and its philosophy is quite different from LTSpice,
even simple things like setting a probe take hours of manual studying.
Now you may install LTSpice, setup the circuit error-free within 15 minutes and post the asc-file.
So I gave it a last chance and installed you sim software to check your original.
Which did not work. And looking at MC - the GUI and its philosophy is quite different from LTSpice,
even simple things like setting a probe take hours of manual studying.
Now you may install LTSpice, setup the circuit error-free within 15 minutes and post the asc-file.
Any theoretical stomach ache?
THD is less than 0.03%; a completely normal standard, so everything else remains to be seen - the possibility of the VA stage smoking out cannot be ruled out, but we'll see.
I prefer old SPICE.
Explanation:
I am very familiar with all the components we usually use in a low frequency circuit, for example in a trivial audio amplifier.
Please refrain from your unqualified jibes Bernhard, such a habitus casts a bad light, not only on you, but also on Bavaria and your home base Munich.
I've had enough now,
I'll get off at the next bus stop and leave this thread to you.
I am very familiar with all the components we usually use in a low frequency circuit, for example in a trivial audio amplifier.
Please refrain from your unqualified jibes Bernhard, such a habitus casts a bad light, not only on you, but also on Bavaria and your home base Munich.
I've had enough now,
I'll get off at the next bus stop and leave this thread to you.
For a 3 stage amplifier with additional buffers? Really? And what about the noize?THD is less than 0.03%; a completely normal standard
My question was about the purpose of R660 / 5.1kExplanation:
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