@weltersys I concur. The issue that is unique to my situation is that I don't like the idea of having a delayed signal to a live video source. My system needs to do music, sound engineering, movies, and gaming. Gaming wants the least latency as possible without a possibility of time/phase alignment. So it'd be nice to have good temporal performance without processing. 10ms probably isn't the end of the world but why when you don't have to.
If we are debating the horn sub above, there are other reasons to run from it. Do you think that the FR could be fixed with DSP?
If we are debating the horn sub above, there are other reasons to run from it. Do you think that the FR could be fixed with DSP?
Have you seen the latest iteration of the TR Rhythm Composer? Amazing bit of kit and things it can do. I have the TR drums on hardware on the DJ-202 and the full library of Roland drum on the JDXI. Prefer FL for the wicked sequencer combined with my Akai FIRE FL Studio controller and my Roland MX-1 digital mixer can take all of its independent tracks over USB
@camplo I feel what you're saying. I like the dubby bubble sound done with electric bass with muted strings thumbed and the vol turned way up. Huge attacks and very little note decay. When doing this stuff, I like the bass speaker to stop when I stop the string. Things like retail Fender types amps cant do this type of bass
Did you look at the ZXI drivers
https://ds18.com/collections/15-sub...fer-2000-watts-2-ohm-dvc-quad-stacked-magnets
These can be played like an instrument with measured note lengths with an electric bass and also capable of going as low on synth bass and kicks as you could want (don't know if I am wording this right)
I don't know much about speaker design but I feel the very small box and huge power given a driver like this has minimum delays and the most articulate reproduction. To be honest, I am basing my opinion with the JLAudio W7 drivers in mind, as I currently don't have experience of the ZXI. Not looking to buy more W7s so the ZXI comes up as an alternative after a lot of discussions with DS18 folks. I hope you take the time to run this through its paces on your sims. You seem to be keenly knowledgeable on this, so I would love to hear more on this one
I use sealed subs w eq to stretch to 20-200. Th would be cool but sealed w eq has the bandwidth advantage.
Have you seen the latest iteration of the TR Rhythm Composer? Amazing bit of kit and things it can do. I have the TR drums on hardware on the DJ-202 and the full library of Roland drum on the JDXI. Prefer FL for the wicked sequencer combined with my Akai FIRE FL Studio controller and my Roland MX-1 digital mixer can take all of its independent tracks over USB
@camplo I feel what you're saying. I like the dubby bubble sound done with electric bass with muted strings thumbed and the vol turned way up. Huge attacks and very little note decay. When doing this stuff, I like the bass speaker to stop when I stop the string. Things like retail Fender types amps cant do this type of bass
Did you look at the ZXI drivers
https://ds18.com/collections/15-sub...fer-2000-watts-2-ohm-dvc-quad-stacked-magnets
These can be played like an instrument with measured note lengths with an electric bass and also capable of going as low on synth bass and kicks as you could want (don't know if I am wording this right)
I don't know much about speaker design but I feel the very small box and huge power given a driver like this has minimum delays and the most articulate reproduction. To be honest, I am basing my opinion with the JLAudio W7 drivers in mind, as I currently don't have experience of the ZXI. Not looking to buy more W7s so the ZXI comes up as an alternative after a lot of discussions with DS18 folks. I hope you take the time to run this through its paces on your sims. You seem to be keenly knowledgeable on this, so I would love to hear more on this one
I'm more into the hardware music producers than the software music producers. I like seeing people make beats with the Emu SP1200 and Akai MPC3000 and below. I've watched videos of the SP2400 and the updated SP1200. I'm an ol skool Boom Bap type of guy. But, I do appreciate Trap beats too. DJ Magic Mike is my go to for BASS.
That DS18 15" is NICE!
Similar to the high frequency horn/driver you are presently using, the frequency response of the undersized mouth horn simulated in post #62 could be "fixed" with DSP at one position.@weltersys I concur. The issue that is unique to my situation is that I don't like the idea of having a delayed signal to a live video source. My system needs to do music, sound engineering, movies, and gaming. Gaming wants the least latency as possible without a possibility of time/phase alignment. So it'd be nice to have good temporal performance without processing. 10ms probably isn't the end of the world but why when you don't have to.
If we are debating the horn sub above, there are other reasons to run from it. Do you think that the FR could be fixed with DSP?
That said, the simulation assumes a straight horn, the multiple bends in the folded horn cause reflections and ringing that would require linear phase FIR temporal equalization to correct.
The length of the filter depends on the frequency range on which it operates (lower = longer) and the Q (higher = longer).
Depending on how much "fixing" you wanted to do, you might add another 10 to 1000ms latency in addition to the ~8ms HF time of flight delay required for alignment.
You mean as in DJ Magic Mike & MC Madness, who did "Dynamic Duo?" I remember that one from back in the day and I just love it. I am not a rap/hip-hop guy by any stretch but if even a quarter of all of it ever produced were as good as "Dynamic Duo" and Kool Moe Dee's "I Go To Work" I might just have been such a guy.DJ Magic Mike is my go to for BASS.
Me? Always.Does anyone ever use digital delays to time-align mains with subs?
You mean as in DJ Magic Mike & MC Madness, who did "Dynamic Duo?" I remember that one from back in the day and I just love it. I am not a rap/hip-hop guy by any stretch but if even a quarter of all of it ever produced were as good as "Dynamic Duo" and Kool Moe Dee's "I Go To Work" I might just have been such a guy.
You know it!
Does anyone ever use digital delays to time-align mains with subs?
I use the inch or feet distance adjustment in the AVR for the individual speaker after running Audyssey or the AVR's DSP. I never use the m/s delay feature tho.
Just some curiosityClair Brothers JBL front loaded four-way S4 cabinets used 2x18" into 4x10", crossed at 200Hz.
The S4s 18" response went into the mid-30s, some tours added additional subwoofers.
Thousands of tours used S4s, though not many since ~2008.
What overall touring acts started using after....
Let me guess
Ks28's?
Folks are starting to use j-arrays for home theater.
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/jb...iform-sound-experience-in-every-seat.3271446/
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/jb...iform-sound-experience-in-every-seat.3271446/
That would probably be my next upgrade from 2 way PA plastic enclosures. For such a L7 guy, I like the shapes of PA plastic speakers.
those remind me of theseFolks are starting to use j-arrays for home theater.
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/jb...iform-sound-experience-in-every-seat.3271446/
they have an array of dome HF drivers also
I want to understand the acoustical parts of the offset design before I could be comfortable building one. I have not been able to recreate the response above in HR BR mode, instead of the offset TL mode ... but I don't know why.
The main chamber, not sure what to call it, the driver needs to sit symmetrically in it was what I can tell... I think it must be the path variable. In offset mode, the path, is set my the length of the enclosure where as BR mode assumes you are putting the BR port, where ever.
The main chamber, not sure what to call it, the driver needs to sit symmetrically in it was what I can tell... I think it must be the path variable. In offset mode, the path, is set my the length of the enclosure where as BR mode assumes you are putting the BR port, where ever.
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