Difference is they arent running a business with much of it being mods for other speakers.
The whole power cable burn in should be enough to write Danny off entirely.
I’ll post first and then see what everyone else has said.
If you are in a room, ifnyoufairlly even bass thru-out the room the first is step 1, and often DSP on top of that can help if your room is “typical” (ie a rectangular box)
Usually low bass from the same place as the stuff up higher is a compromise.
They are? You haven’t dug deep enuff yet. Danny certainly talks a good game. Not as flowery as Deckard. Don’t get me started onthe NoRez.
I expect value given cost of shipping to Oz would be poor. I expect any number of designs here, tailored to what is available in Oz would be much better value. And you certainly don’t want to ship MDF across the Pacific (depending where you are in OZ, decent plywood is often hard to find, and one is forced to use MDF..
dave
If you are in a room, ifnyoufairlly even bass thru-out the room the first is step 1, and often DSP on top of that can help if your room is “typical” (ie a rectangular box)
Usually low bass from the same place as the stuff up higher is a compromise.
They are? You haven’t dug deep enuff yet. Danny certainly talks a good game. Not as flowery as Deckard. Don’t get me started onthe NoRez.
I expect value given cost of shipping to Oz would be poor. I expect any number of designs here, tailored to what is available in Oz would be much better value. And you certainly don’t want to ship MDF across the Pacific (depending where you are in OZ, decent plywood is often hard to find, and one is forced to use MDF..
dave
@planet10 fair enough. I'm not evaluating GR on their speaker upgrades, just on the consensus of reviews of their completed loud speakers (some of which are on this forum).
Maybe I should ask this question - what are the most highly regarded alternative builds out there? The room I use is 4m x 7m, low level listening (<60dB). My main criteria are: decent mid level tone and sound great at low volumes.
Was considering standard designs and very high efficiency as well. Space is not much of a concern.
Maybe I should ask this question - what are the most highly regarded alternative builds out there? The room I use is 4m x 7m, low level listening (<60dB). My main criteria are: decent mid level tone and sound great at low volumes.
Was considering standard designs and very high efficiency as well. Space is not much of a concern.
@Deedy - I've been an audio enthusiast for about 50 years and have owned numerous fairly decent commercial speakers including multiple Magnepans, multiple Revels, Duntech Sovereigns, Totems, and others.
I built my first pair of GR-Research speakers (NX-Oticas) about six years ago and was very impressed. I've now built a total of six of Danny's designs including two pair of OB servo subs, the NX-Studios, Bullies and Line Forces.
While I can see how folks are put off by Danny's "upgrade" videos, his own speaker designs are well designed and sound great. I doubt if many of the Danny-haters have ever heard his speakers.
Based on your requirements, I would take a look at the NX-Studio and add a couple of subs. The NX-Studio won't play super loud, but it sounds very nice from about 70Hz on up. The NEO3 tweeter excels in an open-baffle arrangement, and the NX-Studio's design allows the speaker to be placed closer to the wall behind it while retaining the open-airy sound-stage. This speaker is also a lot smaller and lighter so if you did decide to purchase a flat pack, it will be a lot cheaper to ship.
I built my first pair of GR-Research speakers (NX-Oticas) about six years ago and was very impressed. I've now built a total of six of Danny's designs including two pair of OB servo subs, the NX-Studios, Bullies and Line Forces.
While I can see how folks are put off by Danny's "upgrade" videos, his own speaker designs are well designed and sound great. I doubt if many of the Danny-haters have ever heard his speakers.
Based on your requirements, I would take a look at the NX-Studio and add a couple of subs. The NX-Studio won't play super loud, but it sounds very nice from about 70Hz on up. The NEO3 tweeter excels in an open-baffle arrangement, and the NX-Studio's design allows the speaker to be placed closer to the wall behind it while retaining the open-airy sound-stage. This speaker is also a lot smaller and lighter so if you did decide to purchase a flat pack, it will be a lot cheaper to ship.
They are not as sensitive as many of GR's other speakers at around 88db/w, but if you generally play at low volumes, you have a lot of flexibility. I'm driving mine with a DIY Purifi amp in my bedroom system and they sound very nice. I've also tried them with my 300B PSET amps and these worked very well, so I don't think they are particularly picky.
In most cases a quite efficient direct radiator might get you circa 93 dB. High efficiency typicaly requires a horn/waveguide tweeter and Pro woofers.
At the levels you suggest — and the moderate size room (2.x m ceiling?)na good 1W Class A amplifier would have more than enuff power. ACAmini would be interesting. Given the cost of the GR somethung like a 20 to 1 cost ratio. You could do a lot worse.
Also factoring in is your taste … at those levels most of the short comigs of my favoured FR/single driver loudspeakers would likely do the job. I suspect that a set of these Alpair 12p in Pensils (or Joan) would actually satisfy your requirements, smaller might make it easier to deal with lowest bass modes.
https://www.darcher.com.au/speaker-drivers/woofers-subwoofers/mark-audio-alpair-12p
But hold on: D’’Archer till has some of the NLA MAOP 10. And ifthe price is right a margin. These are one of the priciest MA drivers and competes with drivers that cost manytimes more. Not as sensitive, a bit less bass potential (maller cone), but more “accurate” with a more extended top-endl.
And LOTs of budget left to ensure it gets fed a very good signal. And woofers (even small ones) and better DSP could be a later addition if you feel the need. THink of them as acoustic room EQ, perhaps adding some weight, extention of the Prnsild is good … the original Super Pensil 12 (with the some 3dB less efficient metal cone driver) was designed specifically for a much larger room in NZ.
That is my taste thou, yours could well be different. Take a dozen very good loudspeakers, they can all be equally valid, but sound quite different. There are many ways to go.
Check out some of their other drivers for multi-way or woofers — you said you have 2-way standmountsyou are haoppy with? Opens up the possiiloity of just doing woofer/stands for them.
BTW, if just used on woofers REL-style the shortcomings of the cheap miniDSP might (mostly) disappear.
dave
@planet10 A few questions-
1. Are you suggesting a box with just this one driver? Do you have links to existing builds and measurements?
2. "THink of them as acoustic room EQ, perhaps adding some weight" can you explain further?
3. "BTW, if just used on woofers REL-style the shortcomings of the cheap miniDSP might (mostly) disappear." How will it do that exactly? Do you mean not using the miniDSP at all?
1. Are you suggesting a box with just this one driver? Do you have links to existing builds and measurements?
2. "THink of them as acoustic room EQ, perhaps adding some weight" can you explain further?
3. "BTW, if just used on woofers REL-style the shortcomings of the cheap miniDSP might (mostly) disappear." How will it do that exactly? Do you mean not using the miniDSP at all?