I haven’t heard them but i believe that, from the changes in the parameters from their other 8s, this driver is more marketing (to be able to say it is Alnico), as the magnet strength looks to be way down.
It will thou, at least in the sims, will produce bass unlike some of th eother 8", but getting the box Q down means a BIG box, aperiodic loading or OB.
dave
It will thou, at least in the sims, will produce bass unlike some of th eother 8", but getting the box Q down means a BIG box, aperiodic loading or OB.
dave
Wood VS MDF
This thread is 14 years old, but I have some 2019 MDF-based Andrew Jones ELACS, and I can hear the box. The drivers are fine, but the enclosure is crap. MDF might be closer to inert, but Stradavari were made from wood. I'm going to look for some Baltic Birch, but I bet most any cold-weather wood will sound better than MDF. Think about it - the enclosure vibrates at the same rate as much of the music, and it will color the cone to some extent. If MDF is absorptive (and I am way out on a limb here) It could potentially damp the drivers and rob tone. Plus, its just a gummy, cheap material that just is not of "instrument" quality.
Fire away.
This thread is 14 years old, but I have some 2019 MDF-based Andrew Jones ELACS, and I can hear the box. The drivers are fine, but the enclosure is crap. MDF might be closer to inert, but Stradavari were made from wood. I'm going to look for some Baltic Birch, but I bet most any cold-weather wood will sound better than MDF. Think about it - the enclosure vibrates at the same rate as much of the music, and it will color the cone to some extent. If MDF is absorptive (and I am way out on a limb here) It could potentially damp the drivers and rob tone. Plus, its just a gummy, cheap material that just is not of "instrument" quality.
Fire away.
Well, I think in short in a Strad, or a solid body Fender Strat, the material from which it's fabricated is there to help make the sound, while an ideal speaker enclosure would be made from material that is at least inert -if not a "sink" for all spurious vibrations not immediately associated with the music.
But since the huge majority of real world speakers - and most particularly affordable mainstream commercial products- are constrained to real world materials, I'd supect designers such as Andrew would probably admit that the bean-counters will only let them get away with spending so much money on the boxes in a pair of speakers retailing for, let's say under $800?
Expect to hear now a variety of options on combinations of materials and construction / bracing techniques to mitigate enclosure resonances and approach the ideal alluded to above - not the least of which will be Open Baffles are the cure for all the evils of monkey coffins.
there is no silver bullet
But since the huge majority of real world speakers - and most particularly affordable mainstream commercial products- are constrained to real world materials, I'd supect designers such as Andrew would probably admit that the bean-counters will only let them get away with spending so much money on the boxes in a pair of speakers retailing for, let's say under $800?
Expect to hear now a variety of options on combinations of materials and construction / bracing techniques to mitigate enclosure resonances and approach the ideal alluded to above - not the least of which will be Open Baffles are the cure for all the evils of monkey coffins.
there is no silver bullet
Just finished two ml-tqwt's for Alpair 10.3
Design (or dimensions) is pretty close to frugel xl, but I wanted straight enclosures and no curved back. Port tuning is adjustable. Sounds pretty good actually and the amount of bass is absolutely ridiculous! Lower cutoff is somewhere around 40Hz, line tuning about 45-50Hz.
There is bump at 200Hz and severe dip at 230Hz, need to figure out that. Propably some harmonics going on and messing things which is typical for tqwt enclosures.
Also lots of presence from those alpairs but in a good way, not annoying at all. Highs are little bit "harsh" sometimes. Overall, satisfied results.
Design (or dimensions) is pretty close to frugel xl, but I wanted straight enclosures and no curved back. Port tuning is adjustable. Sounds pretty good actually and the amount of bass is absolutely ridiculous! Lower cutoff is somewhere around 40Hz, line tuning about 45-50Hz.
There is bump at 200Hz and severe dip at 230Hz, need to figure out that. Propably some harmonics going on and messing things which is typical for tqwt enclosures.
Also lots of presence from those alpairs but in a good way, not annoying at all. Highs are little bit "harsh" sometimes. Overall, satisfied results.
Finally finish full range TB W5-2143, and I am very impressed by the result and of course the amazing sound coming up from such a small driver and small enclosure.
Everything done by myself from the cutting, assembling and painting, very difficult here in Philippines find a good wood so no choice I used a 16mm marine plywood for the main body and from the last project a 24mm baltic birch plywood for the top and bottom. Stained with Nescafe instant coffee 3 coat and finish with 4 coat of Konig polyurethane and a little touch of design on the front for cover some imperfection of the plywood. The enclosure follow the Tabaq design, sound stage and clarity of middle and hight freq is outstanding for do not talking about the punching warm bass response…..all the best
Everything done by myself from the cutting, assembling and painting, very difficult here in Philippines find a good wood so no choice I used a 16mm marine plywood for the main body and from the last project a 24mm baltic birch plywood for the top and bottom. Stained with Nescafe instant coffee 3 coat and finish with 4 coat of Konig polyurethane and a little touch of design on the front for cover some imperfection of the plywood. The enclosure follow the Tabaq design, sound stage and clarity of middle and hight freq is outstanding for do not talking about the punching warm bass response…..all the best
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just got my new SWR096-8A Sonidos 
tnx to Mr. Varga , excellent product , as always
as I'm used to say - these reminds me on GrandMa's Telefunken , just made with modern materials , where's important and beneficial
tnx to Mr. Varga , excellent product , as always
as I'm used to say - these reminds me on GrandMa's Telefunken , just made with modern materials , where's important and beneficial
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once more
last two pics taken from sonido.hu site , few examples of boxes made by customers
still didn't decided where my are going to end , box wise
most probably will keep them some time near my PC desk , to enjoy just looking at them
edit - and yes , they're ovals , no broken pics , even if I took them with phone
last two pics taken from sonido.hu site , few examples of boxes made by customers
still didn't decided where my are going to end , box wise
most probably will keep them some time near my PC desk , to enjoy just looking at them
edit - and yes , they're ovals , no broken pics , even if I took them with phone
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They sound like this ....
Many years ago I built a small horn speaker from the Sonido FR 5". Last Summer I finished FR BR (Full Range Bass Reflex) speakers with the new SWR069 drivers from Sonido and the sound really knocked me off my ... the chair.
I have never ever missed anything when listening to my small horn speakers, but suddenly I got the same "audio signature" but a lot of it, nice and clean mid and highs but a much lower low.
At the moment I am using a small compact 3W Chian-amplifier (6P1) and that is definitely enough for my 20sqm livingroom.
soundbrigade , will send you MLTL box sketch as soon I'm done with it
according to my experience - that type of box is usually better than BR for similar speaks ...... and due to lower cone amplitude for same SPL (vs. BR) , mids are also cleaner ...... Doppler etc.
buzz me in a month or so if you wish .....
according to my experience - that type of box is usually better than BR for similar speaks ...... and due to lower cone amplitude for same SPL (vs. BR) , mids are also cleaner ...... Doppler etc.
buzz me in a month or so if you wish .....