One would think the app would tell you what's on; guess you need to push the "Upgrade" button to get that...
Maybe include the word "Electric"? After all, without powered amplification, it doesnt work. I wonder if there's a way to wedge in the idea that it's portable and self-contained, all-in-one unit into the title?
Last night at the open mic, one guy played Flugelhorn. Loudest thing in the room; head and shoulders above the mag pickup amplified acoustic accompanying him. I'm trying to imagine your instrument being that loud.
I'm imagining a way to split the horn lenghts. Have the top channel spit out just above the neck joint. Have the bottom channel wrap around past the normal exits, come out the top of the guitar, Player would certainly hear themselves! Or the opposite; long horn exits at the bottom; player can pull it up like a dobro / EVH style, horn mouth points at the audience.
App? this is FM radio...
Flugelhorn? Yeah, saw Chuck Mangione once, man that is a powerful instrument, a horn! I can only hope my FHAG can compete with that. I know for sure a standard acoustic guitar would not be heard by a long shot.
JJ did you by chance get a dB measurement at a given distance? Now that I am starting to build guitar #2, I am very much thinking about your ideas for horn lengths, ports...
Decided on this YouTube title: "Introducing the Folded Horn Acoustic Guitar" Thoughts?
My daughter said search Chat GPT for Folded Horn Acoustic Guitar title ideas. What came up? My Patent and that only, never been done before!
Flugelhorn? Yeah, saw Chuck Mangione once, man that is a powerful instrument, a horn! I can only hope my FHAG can compete with that. I know for sure a standard acoustic guitar would not be heard by a long shot.
JJ did you by chance get a dB measurement at a given distance? Now that I am starting to build guitar #2, I am very much thinking about your ideas for horn lengths, ports...
Decided on this YouTube title: "Introducing the Folded Horn Acoustic Guitar" Thoughts?
My daughter said search Chat GPT for Folded Horn Acoustic Guitar title ideas. What came up? My Patent and that only, never been done before!
I like the idea, but the word electric with guitar suggests the "traditional" magnet-and-wound-wire pickup on a guitar made to use external amplification. How about:
"Introducing the Self-Powered Folded Horn Acoustic Guitar"
The title could work about as well without the phrase "self-powered" (and there's a point where there's too many descriptive words in a title) but it could also pique interest with making people wonder what self-powered means.
Thank you benb, Self-Powered eh? I like it! I will think about his for sure...meaning "an amp over there" is not being used, the guitar itself is where all the music comes from, you know, as it should be. You get it, I just hope people viewing this on YouTube will get it, remains to be seen, or heard I should say!
I think there's some sort of mix between a piezo pickup and mag on the FHAG. Maybe "Introducing the Amplified Folded Horn Acoustic Guitar" might suggest amplifiers / speakers are in fact internal. In one word...
Was looking at a Shadow mag sound hole pickup, that has provision for a piezo input, mixing the two together. Seems like that, plus a battery and amp inside, would do it. Model SH 460 has the two inputs.
"Amp" is a whole nuther matter and a technical challenge. I would think you'd want some gain with compression, DSP crossover if you're going to do different length horns. Two 20 Watts of output, running off 20+V of battery. Some sort of accessible tone stack. Adds up to be a multi person project to come up with a whole pickup / amp system that compliments the guitar's design.
I think the Zoudio amp I use to HiFi could do some of it; the DSP crossover, the 20W - unsure if any compression is available via its DSP. The part missing would be any stage adding an appropriate level of harmonic character, which would be an easy design for some here, but not for "us" ;'). To get a tone stack, someone needs to design a panel and the most economical way is to use something that already exists - but which one?
All these problems is why I previously suggested building it with output and input TRS jacks; let the player work out the amplification in "head" amp form, along with whatever EQ and effects along the way. DIY to fit every possible player is almost like the computer guessing what you want; no, I dont want the entire paragraph highlighted, you guessed wrong.
Updated YouTube thumbnail with text, I plan to use this. I know it is a somewhat crowded photo, but I don't see anything I want to remove.
I also added the description. JJ this could use your help, based on your recent comments. Needs to be short and sweet. I hear two or three sentences is effective, but not much more. Some short description comments/ideas anybody? Thanks!
I also added the description. JJ this could use your help, based on your recent comments. Needs to be short and sweet. I hear two or three sentences is effective, but not much more. Some short description comments/ideas anybody? Thanks!
My rewrite would be;
"This is a double chambered acoustic guitar, with two folded horns in its back chamber. Each horn is five feet long, both driven by two 3" full range speakers. It also has a hollow body chamber beneath a standard braced top. With external amplification, this guitar provides 25 dB of additional sound power and has excellent tone, all emanating from the guitar itself!"
I like the "back" of the guitar better than the "bottom". I like "two 3" speakers", so the reader doesnt have to figure that out. (dont want people thinking too hard / being analytical when you're trying to sell 'em something...) Plus, "two" sounds like getting more. Two mints in one! Remember that? Candy marketing genius...
I moved the word "standard" toward "braced top", as everyone shopping for something a little different knows what hollow body and braced top are. I suppose you could stick the word "spruce" in there after "standard", if that's how you'd build them.
Musicians arent going to know what 25 db of "sound power" actually is, so I think it's a fair term to use to promote the fact that "it's much louder" than a standard acoustic.
I believe its fair to mention the necessity of an amplifier, to make it work and get the claimed benefits. "Emanating" is a tough word; even this text editor didnt know it to correct my initial mis-spelling. But emanating or "coming from" the guitar itself is what needs to be clear to the reader.
Hope this helps!
"This is a double chambered acoustic guitar, with two folded horns in its back chamber. Each horn is five feet long, both driven by two 3" full range speakers. It also has a hollow body chamber beneath a standard braced top. With external amplification, this guitar provides 25 dB of additional sound power and has excellent tone, all emanating from the guitar itself!"
I like the "back" of the guitar better than the "bottom". I like "two 3" speakers", so the reader doesnt have to figure that out. (dont want people thinking too hard / being analytical when you're trying to sell 'em something...) Plus, "two" sounds like getting more. Two mints in one! Remember that? Candy marketing genius...
I moved the word "standard" toward "braced top", as everyone shopping for something a little different knows what hollow body and braced top are. I suppose you could stick the word "spruce" in there after "standard", if that's how you'd build them.
Musicians arent going to know what 25 db of "sound power" actually is, so I think it's a fair term to use to promote the fact that "it's much louder" than a standard acoustic.
I believe its fair to mention the necessity of an amplifier, to make it work and get the claimed benefits. "Emanating" is a tough word; even this text editor didnt know it to correct my initial mis-spelling. But emanating or "coming from" the guitar itself is what needs to be clear to the reader.
Hope this helps!
Thank you JJ, I like it! I agree that many people will not understand a 25 dB difference, and other issues that I mention. This used to be a concern for me, but lately I have been thinking: you know what, I want people to ask questions and be curious and and start conversations on YouTube, much like we do on diyAudio. I am sure it will be at a different level of expertise. 
I am considering your comments for a possible edit to my description.
Many of the comments from diyAudio people two years ago were over my head, but I learned, and quite frankly, I am very thankful for the group of people on this great site that have helped me, OK enough *** kissing, but it is true!
Man was I a big Ted fan when I was 15, loved his guitar playing! I still do, I just don't listen to him often, time to get back!
Last Night I was playing my guitar, and man there was zero feedback, great power, just loved the tone, I am really excited about what can happen.
I was also listening to The Atlanta Rhythm Section, man I love that band, the songs are timeless. Then today in a festival across the street I hear one of my favorite ARS songs played by the band, what fun!
I am considering your comments for a possible edit to my description.Many of the comments from diyAudio people two years ago were over my head, but I learned, and quite frankly, I am very thankful for the group of people on this great site that have helped me, OK enough *** kissing, but it is true!
Man was I a big Ted fan when I was 15, loved his guitar playing! I still do, I just don't listen to him often, time to get back!
Last Night I was playing my guitar, and man there was zero feedback, great power, just loved the tone, I am really excited about what can happen.
I was also listening to The Atlanta Rhythm Section, man I love that band, the songs are timeless. Then today in a festival across the street I hear one of my favorite ARS songs played by the band, what fun!
Well, "we" (at least I think so) want you to be successful with the idea, because it seems really cool.
Of course my perceptions of what's cool may have zero correlation to what the average musician / guitarist thinks is cool; there may be no getting away from "guitar is guitar, amp is amp and speaker is speaker" in that collective, similar to the audiophile preference toward "component" stratification, where too much integration is frowned upon.
How many "audiophile" turntables come with a line level output? How many "audiophile" speakers (not the rechargable BT Pill mini junk) come with built in amplifiers? Sure, some did/do but it's not a mass appeal product. It's a niche.
Likewise your instrument will serve some performance situations really well, its benefit far exceeding the loss of something like "choice of speaker" that you get with keeping everything separate. Like Yamaha's transacoustic system; doesnt get installed in every acoustic they sell. I and I'm sure a bunch of others think it's fantastic, but most players just want a straight acoustic, so it's a niche product too.
And tha's ok. I cant even imagine what it would take to own the guitar world. Electronic servo controlled string tuning? Mmmm - not good enough. Sustainiac? Mmmmmm - not good enough. Whammy? Doesnt work on acoustics and a lot still like a fixed bridge. Carbon fiber? A bunch of players still prefer wood and will up until its all gone. Optical string vibration pickups? Hasnt completely taken over the market from what I can see.
JJ - I agree it may be a niche product, that is one of my fears, hoping for more. That said not sure how valuable a niche instrument is, we may find out.
Now I really like servo motors, but they normally are running at thousands if not millions of revolutions for major innovations, like a CNC machine.
I can add a guitar string and turn it about maybe 20 revolutions and she is done, plus the accuracy is not a problem. Seems pretty obviously unnecessary to me.
Carbon fiber just does not appeal to me for a guitar. I know plenty of people out there like carbon fiber guitars, and that is great, surely an innovation worth pursing. I see RainSong went out of business last year. I give them plenty of credit for having the balls to go for it, kind of a shame that it closed.
Optical string vibration pickup? Now that is something that sounds interesting right out of the gate, I don't know much about them. Does anybody out there have experience with these pickups?
Now I really like servo motors, but they normally are running at thousands if not millions of revolutions for major innovations, like a CNC machine
.I can add a guitar string and turn it about maybe 20 revolutions and she is done, plus the accuracy is not a problem. Seems pretty obviously unnecessary to me.
Carbon fiber just does not appeal to me for a guitar. I know plenty of people out there like carbon fiber guitars, and that is great, surely an innovation worth pursing. I see RainSong went out of business last year. I give them plenty of credit for having the balls to go for it, kind of a shame that it closed.
Optical string vibration pickup? Now that is something that sounds interesting right out of the gate, I don't know much about them. Does anybody out there have experience with these pickups?
IIRC, we discussed them early on in this thread.
Use a lot of battery power, and are problematic in certain lighting conditions.
They would make your products tiny niche even smaller.
I do remember that now Art, my memory ain't what it used to be. The last thing I need is a possible niche product to be even more (less?) of a niche product.
BTW my guitar is killing it power wise lately. I think I may have mentioned it before (yes, it is true, I don't look at history on my own thread very often).
Throw it on 8-1/2 and wow, ******* rocking, don't dare do 9-1/2, I love it, but why?
They only thing I know about guitar cords is I need a 1/4" jack. I bought some "heavy duty" cords that are the old "curly" type like we always used in the late 70's early 80's, I wonder, could this be the difference? My straight cords are made in China I am sure, I would not be surprised if this makes a difference. thoughts?
OK my daughter and I are teaming up Monday to release YouTube and Website simultaneously. I hope it goes well, if so it will be coming at my friends at diyAudio first!!
BTW my guitar is killing it power wise lately. I think I may have mentioned it before (yes, it is true, I don't look at history on my own thread very often).
Throw it on 8-1/2 and wow, ******* rocking, don't dare do 9-1/2, I love it, but why?
They only thing I know about guitar cords is I need a 1/4" jack. I bought some "heavy duty" cords that are the old "curly" type like we always used in the late 70's early 80's, I wonder, could this be the difference? My straight cords are made in China I am sure, I would not be surprised if this makes a difference. thoughts?
OK my daughter and I are teaming up Monday to release YouTube and Website simultaneously. I hope it goes well, if so it will be coming at my friends at diyAudio first!!
I found a stool that's comfortable and has a rail I can hook my heel on, to prop up the guitar on my leg. I put a platform toward the bottom, on which I set my behringer mixer, with compression / effects. I have headphones and a headset mic, a DI box to make the behringer inputs work right for the guitar.
Brought it to the open mic, played 3 songs with the headphones on, using the headset for my voice. Seemed to work - the fellow now running the sound said "turn up your guitar a bit" was all. Now I can spend all the time in the world dialing in my sound and just bring that with me; just have the sound person pipe it through at line level - like it was coming from a CD player or something.
Similarly, I'd imagine someone with your FHAG going to a small venue and sound reinforcement not needed. Just take it out of the case, turn it on and play. Plug in a vocal mic into the mix if you want. Be able to deliver a sound that's good enough, flexible enough to satisfy - "good luck" - most musicians in the singer / strummer category. A tall order for integrated electronics... And the total system.
The biggest problem with my "performance stool" unit is it's another thing to carry and adds time to set up - tear down around my performance. Like, almost forgot to unplug the AC when I picked it up to take off stage, with someone else acting as roadie holding my guitar. What you really want is to walk up there, turn to face the audience and start performing - that quick. With everyone in an "open-mic" size venue able to hear you.
Accomplish that and it just might -
Brought it to the open mic, played 3 songs with the headphones on, using the headset for my voice. Seemed to work - the fellow now running the sound said "turn up your guitar a bit" was all. Now I can spend all the time in the world dialing in my sound and just bring that with me; just have the sound person pipe it through at line level - like it was coming from a CD player or something.
Similarly, I'd imagine someone with your FHAG going to a small venue and sound reinforcement not needed. Just take it out of the case, turn it on and play. Plug in a vocal mic into the mix if you want. Be able to deliver a sound that's good enough, flexible enough to satisfy - "good luck" - most musicians in the singer / strummer category. A tall order for integrated electronics... And the total system.
The biggest problem with my "performance stool" unit is it's another thing to carry and adds time to set up - tear down around my performance. Like, almost forgot to unplug the AC when I picked it up to take off stage, with someone else acting as roadie holding my guitar. What you really want is to walk up there, turn to face the audience and start performing - that quick. With everyone in an "open-mic" size venue able to hear you.
Accomplish that and it just might -
Different guitar cables have different capacitance, which changes the resonance in the pickup/cable resistor/capacitor/inductor circuit.
Curly cables often have more capacitance (some have 10 times more) per length, which can roll off high end and/or shift the pickup resonance to a lower frequency.
The same cord will have a different effect on the higher impedance piezo than the lower impedance magnetic coil pickup.
Passive EQ circuits can be very tricky.