planet10 said:
Based on my limited experience with FF series, IINM, the 85K is the only one with the highly domed "dust cap" attached directly to the VC.
Whatever, it certainly works - this particular driver is an outstanding performer, particularly when used as a wide-band mid/tweet above 250-300Hz. Slightly OT to this thread, but for anyone interested in a variation of MJK's OB project, this would be a great alternative to the FE108E Sigma at less than 1/2 the price.
That project has been in our job-jar for at least 6 months, but for some reason never gets picked - maybe someone else will get there first and report their impressions.
back to your regularly scheduled program
Sounds favourite. I think the (very) Ltd. Edn. FE208ES-R pulled the same trick.
OT slightly, why is it I simply can't get excited over OBs? Yes, yes, I know all about their supposed benefits (and can hear them), but I simply prefer monopoles.
Anyway, those cabinets look good to me. 🙂 The double-vent designs invariably tend to be sensitive to / revealing of position, so let us know how you get on.
OT slightly, why is it I simply can't get excited over OBs? Yes, yes, I know all about their supposed benefits (and can hear them), but I simply prefer monopoles.
Anyway, those cabinets look good to me. 🙂 The double-vent designs invariably tend to be sensitive to / revealing of position, so let us know how you get on.
then there must be some damping material under the dustcap.
imagine how tweeter would sound without felt pad under it's dome.
imagine how tweeter would sound without felt pad under it's dome.
HI Mirko
Realy nice looking Speakers. What kind of mounting rings did you do under your Drivers?
Glad to see your Progress.
Bernhard
Realy nice looking Speakers. What kind of mounting rings did you do under your Drivers?
Glad to see your Progress.
Bernhard
Dr. ODD said:
these are some bronce-rings that some nice-guy made for me on his lathe.
similar to thte brass-rings that are available for the the eSigma-series.
the driver is boltet on the ring and the ring is screwed on the cab.the theory behind these
is mass-loading, what means the rings enhance the mass inertia of the drivers against the
movement of the cone which results in better details and faster response.
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could anyone who has these units, please discribe the character of the sound they reproduce? Are they unforgiving on bad records? bright or warm sounding?
sharptouch said:
well, they sound bright, when the music is bright and they sound warm when they
music is warm. if you speak of tonal balance you can say that the es-r´s are very neutral,
and they are very forgiving with bad recordings, but not with bad music...
the most impressive thing about them is that it seeems that they really "like" to play music,
i mean they really deliver the essence of the music, all the emotions in every detail.
i hope it helped you, if not, feel free to ask...
cheerio, Mirko
what if I bought 3 of these and build a 3-5 liter closed box for the center channel and about 10 liter bas reflex enclosure for the front channels driven by my harmann/kardon 55 watt HT amp. Later upgrading to higher end amp, Naim/Linn. Cant find tubeamps for HT use and if there was its gotta to be way too expensive.
Is this approach crazy? maybe 2 - 3 way system is wiser...
Is this approach crazy? maybe 2 - 3 way system is wiser...
mp9 said:
...excellent...
cause they are so good at bringing out details, you don´t loose anything at
low volumes.
Scottmoose said:
M_Balou said:
for HT sound, I couldn't agree more - if you want to match tonal balance and achieve reasonable sensitivity and wide band frequency response using single drivers across the front row, the FE167 seems a more logical choice.
Something like a floor-standing variant of any of several very good DIY designs for the L&R mains, and a smaller sealed box for the more limited range of center channel. Another alternative would be to make identical cabinets for all 3: set the receiver's controls for front speakers to small and incorporate dual subs into stands. Between the bass management controls of the receiver, and a good stand alone sub amp, you should have all the flexibility you need.
I'm not sure about disqualifying the drivers for home theater. If you like movies, like I do, a well designed system takes the experience to a new level. Myself I just finished my 5.1 system.
The amps shown are Bottlehead Paramour IIs with Magnequest EXO-050 Ni Opts, Exo-003 plate chokes, and RGC-06 ps chokes. The speakers are has Pi Pro four speakers with JBL pro woofers and JBL compression drivers. The processor is an Outlaw 990. Subwoofer is a Revel B15. Sony first gen Bluray player and a Sony Bravia 46" LCD display.
But I wouldn't use BR with the 138s. I'd build Dave's Spawns instead and I would use them for the five channels. I may be very ideatic but I've alway thought that for good multichannel all five speakers and five amps should be identical.
Back to the 138 esrs. Any thoughts of how would these perform in front loaded horns?
xcortes:
fair enough, and it's not our place to second guess your reasoning.
FWIW, based on what I've heard to date, I'm not a particularly big fan of the "full immersion HT experience", but we all must admire your dedication, and envy the budget available for a system such as you describe.
re the 138esr's in a FLH, that's a good question - we can theorize all sorts of things, but until someone steps up to the plate to experiment with a $400 each driver, it's all just guessing.
fair enough, and it's not our place to second guess your reasoning.
FWIW, based on what I've heard to date, I'm not a particularly big fan of the "full immersion HT experience", but we all must admire your dedication, and envy the budget available for a system such as you describe.
re the 138esr's in a FLH, that's a good question - we can theorize all sorts of things, but until someone steps up to the plate to experiment with a $400 each driver, it's all just guessing.
xcortes said:
You can't mention Spawns without invoking Scott ... i just drew the pictures and added the florishes
dave
Sorry Scott. Double thanks I guess: first for the spawns and second for the flh simulation.
I hired a carpenter to build me the spawns. I ususally build my speakers but too many project, too little time and cheap and qualified labor made me subcontract this one. He just delivered them. They look fantastic. I'll finish them in the next few days and post pics later.