Umik is a very good investment.
Makes it possible to:
Figure out which problems you actually have.
vs.
Assume and imagine the problems you thought you had.
No i haven't any.
I have an Onkyo equalizer with built in audio generator and his own microphone.
I don't know how useful is this.
Not digital way of course.
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Looks like it was designed to be used with the Onkyo for setting room EQ. Probably not useful as it doesn’t have a way to get the mic signal to REW software.
A Dayton UMM6 USB mic works well too. A little less than UMIK, but UMIK is very good too. It’s what I use. I got a Cross Spectrum Labs version that is 3rd Party calibrated. About $115 I think. Definitely a tool I use all the time.
A Dayton UMM6 USB mic works well too. A little less than UMIK, but UMIK is very good too. It’s what I use. I got a Cross Spectrum Labs version that is 3rd Party calibrated. About $115 I think. Definitely a tool I use all the time.
The t. racks 4x4 mini is a good starting point.
the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini – Thomann Ellada
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I've been oogling the relatively new t. racks DSP 206
the t.racks DSP 206 – Thomann Ellada
Seems to be unbeatable value for money.
the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini – Thomann Ellada
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I've been oogling the relatively new t. racks DSP 206
the t.racks DSP 206 – Thomann Ellada
Seems to be unbeatable value for money.
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The Dayton DSP408 is great value and very easy to use. Single screen, single .exe interface via USB (no dumb nested menus needed) software included. It is analog in and out. A $30 BT dongle lets you program from iOS/Andoid phone and stream music. $20 extra gets you remote volume controller knob and 6 preset-DSP setups selector to change programming without a PC or a phone.
Dayton Audio DSP-408 4x8 DSP Digital Signal Processor for Home and Car Audio
Dayton Audio DSP-408 4x8 DSP Digital Signal Processor for Home and Car Audio
The DSP408 is available also in EU: Buying a Dayton Audio DSP-408 DSP module? | SoundImports - SoundImports. And I am surprised that the price is not too bad at all!
Wait, this Dayton DSP-408 can be used as an active crossover? So I can make two way speakers and use two separate amps to drive the high and low frequency drivers? I will need to rethink some things. Anyone have any experience doing this with this thing? Sounds amazing. I thought this was something that was going to be expensive as heck or something I would have to design from scratch.
Yes, I used to do this strictly before I learned how to make passive crossovers. I used miniDSP but lately just got the the DSP408 and tested it out on same speaker. Super easy to use. Set filter, set EQ, set delay, set level, set input (1 of 4). Measure and repeat.
Low-Cost PMC-inspired TL Monitor with DC130A and DC28F
Here is the measurement from a Harsch XO I did a week ago on same speaker but using DSP408 and a Class A amp on woofer and Class AB on tweeter.
This took about 20 minutes to set up from turn on for the first time.
Low-Cost PMC-inspired TL Monitor with DC130A and DC28F
Here is the measurement from a Harsch XO I did a week ago on same speaker but using DSP408 and a Class A amp on woofer and Class AB on tweeter.
This took about 20 minutes to set up from turn on for the first time.
Wow, that's wild. I want to build an O96 style full range build but I'm toying with the idea of including a woofer. I dont like lots of bass (even okay with recessed or rolled off lows) but I want articulate and accurate bass that will go reasonably low. I'm not sure if I would want to throw a large paper cone woofer in with my full range. That would also allow me to go smaller and get more articulation in the mids, which are my obsession. I want revealing, mid-forward speakers with the ability to position so well that it sounds like the singer in opeth's damnation album is standing in front of me. This led me to the fane, Dayton audio 8" full range, and the tang band 8" full range, though that's getting a little pricy for me.
Skoobs,
If that is what you are looking for, you should look at FAST type speaker. I use the best 3.5in fullrange driver there is (IMO) and a $60 Dayton aluminum cone 8in crossover at 900Hz. 1st order transient perfect crossover. Imaging, soundstage, beautiful midrange, realism. It’s all there. There is a new TL variant that reaches 31Hz. The sealed is good for 50Hz.
10F/8424 & RS225-8 FAST / WAW Ref Monitor
Everyone who has built it loves the sound. Not expensive at all.
If that is what you are looking for, you should look at FAST type speaker. I use the best 3.5in fullrange driver there is (IMO) and a $60 Dayton aluminum cone 8in crossover at 900Hz. 1st order transient perfect crossover. Imaging, soundstage, beautiful midrange, realism. It’s all there. There is a new TL variant that reaches 31Hz. The sealed is good for 50Hz.
10F/8424 & RS225-8 FAST / WAW Ref Monitor
Everyone who has built it loves the sound. Not expensive at all.
With DSP crossover it’s easy to get this speaker to be flat response. If you want to use a conventional passive crossover, I would use a more expensive driver that requires fewer components to make the XO. You can actually save money by spending a little more on the drivers and less on coils and capacitors for the XO. Also, a conventional XO can’t be transient perfect unless you offset the tweeter back with a waveguide or a stepped baffle. DSP makes it all trivial and let’s you use less expensive drivers.
And a 4 way speaker too? It will be needed 4 amps?
Howyou configure the DSP, in a computer? Work in iMac?
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You can read more about it from the manufacturer's website:
Dayton Audio DSP-408 4x8 DSP Digital Signal Processor for Home and Car Audio
But I think USB programming is from Windows. Optionally, can be programmed from iOS/Android via Bluetooth dongle so an iPad or iPhone can work. But I am not sure if that can happen without it ever being programmed via USB. It's a little OT so I will create a new thread to discuss the DSP408 here:
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/347871-dayton-audio-dsp-408-a.html#post6039300
Dayton Audio DSP-408 4x8 DSP Digital Signal Processor for Home and Car Audio
But I think USB programming is from Windows. Optionally, can be programmed from iOS/Android via Bluetooth dongle so an iPad or iPhone can work. But I am not sure if that can happen without it ever being programmed via USB. It's a little OT so I will create a new thread to discuss the DSP408 here:
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/347871-dayton-audio-dsp-408-a.html#post6039300
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I have the 12-250TC in a 40x40x40 cm sealed enclosure and it works quite well but sadly I don't have any measurements for you because I lack the instruments needed for it. But by my ear it sounds decent for what it's made for (Beach parties and parties in general) that's why the small size of it, but of course it's not perfect and it lacks bass and it is heavily dependent on where it's located. If you are lucky you can get some bass from it depending on where you are sitting a car for example in ttere it gets overwhelming. I also have a sack cart for it cause of how heavy it is.
Her is some pictures on it and a video. Keep in mind that my video is filmed with a phone so don't excpect much from it.
"Portable" Speaker with Fane Sovereign 12-250TC - YouTube
Size is a compromise between good sound and weight.
i built a 4 by 12 cabinet for a mobile disco.
not only could i barely lift it but it wouldnt fit in the car.
so sawed it down the middle and put new sides on.
for that 4 by 12 sound i could just stand them next to each other.
i built a box with fane 15-300 TC but i preferred my 2 by 12-250tc's so sold it.
my favourite speaker is a 1980 Fane 12-50 in a w bin which i listen to all day.
i built a 4 by 12 cabinet for a mobile disco.
not only could i barely lift it but it wouldnt fit in the car.
so sawed it down the middle and put new sides on.
for that 4 by 12 sound i could just stand them next to each other.
i built a box with fane 15-300 TC but i preferred my 2 by 12-250tc's so sold it.
my favourite speaker is a 1980 Fane 12-50 in a w bin which i listen to all day.