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I might have done all this research and calculations, BUT i don't know the exact information on my heat sink's i guess i could ask some one on here, i just wanted some basic info if they really hot or not, that was all.
No worries Jason, I was just about to ask a similar question so you saved me from a "schooling" 😉
jleaman said:I might have done all this research and calculations, BUT i don't know the exact information on my heat sink's i guess i could ask some one on here, i just wanted some basic info if they really hot or not, that was all.
I would agree that Jason is simply too lazy! Besides papa, Steen and I are the only who have said we have built the thing. Whilst steen has no problem with heat in his chassis, I have provided plenty of information on the heat produced by my clone.
Just read this thread and your inbox! For those who doesn't have my comments in their personal inbox, just scroll back 25 posts or so and see what I write.
Mr. Pass,
For a DIY montage (100W ouput into 2 ohm load), is it preferable to double the number of pair of Mosfets and size of heatsink or to use the diagram of the page 9 (parallel mono connections).
What is the maximal + - Vcc of PSU admissible by the F4 with the 2SK370/2SJ108 if one increases the size of heatsink and maybe also, increases the number of pairs of Mosfet?
Thank you for your answers
Darry
For a DIY montage (100W ouput into 2 ohm load), is it preferable to double the number of pair of Mosfets and size of heatsink or to use the diagram of the page 9 (parallel mono connections).
What is the maximal + - Vcc of PSU admissible by the F4 with the 2SK370/2SJ108 if one increases the size of heatsink and maybe also, increases the number of pairs of Mosfet?
Thank you for your answers
Darry
I don't think it is advisable to increase the voltage across the jfet pair too much - they are running close to the specs. If you need larger voltage swing I would recommend running balanced, but with 2ohm speakers I guess you need current more than anything.
You can easily turn up the current if you have suitable heatsinks. If you run single ended mono you should be able to get at voltage swing of +/-20V and with increased bias current, you should be able to get 100W - I think....
You can easily turn up the current if you have suitable heatsinks. If you run single ended mono you should be able to get at voltage swing of +/-20V and with increased bias current, you should be able to get 100W - I think....

PMFJI but...
That was a spectacularly good demonstration of how the lessons of the 1 Minute Manager can be applied to engineering or other technical management. (Even if you haven't read the book, it fits well.)
metalman said:...
Why do I mention all of this, Jason, and why are I and some others at this forum a little harsh with you.
That was a spectacularly good demonstration of how the lessons of the 1 Minute Manager can be applied to engineering or other technical management. (Even if you haven't read the book, it fits well.)
cviller said:with increased bias current, you should be able to get 100W - I think
Not without more parallel devices.
10 amps for 2 ohm drops more than 1.5V across the Re's, ~85 watts max.
Darry said:Mr. Pass,
For a DIY montage (100W ouput into 2 ohm load), is it preferable to double the number of pair of Mosfets and size of heatsink or to use the diagram of the page 9 (parallel mono connections).
What is the maximal + - Vcc of PSU admissible by the F4 with the 2SK370/2SJ108 if one increases the size of heatsink and maybe also, increases the number of pairs of Mosfet?
I paralled the two stereo channels to mono for 100 watts into 2.
There is no margin for extra voltage when using the 2SJ108,
which suffers gate breakdown at 46 volts or so.
I have a modification which I'll publish tomorrow which addresses
this.
😎
Why wait - you guys will just start second guessing me in
the meantime.
www.passlabs.com/np/F4R0.pdf
This version bootstraps the front end so that the JFETs only
see about 1/2 the voltage swing. It improves THD very slightly,
gets a tad more output swing, and it also extends the bandwidth
a bit. With a proper setup, I get about -3dB at 1 MHz, with a
very good looking 100 KHz square wave.
😎
the meantime.
www.passlabs.com/np/F4R0.pdf
This version bootstraps the front end so that the JFETs only
see about 1/2 the voltage swing. It improves THD very slightly,
gets a tad more output swing, and it also extends the bandwidth
a bit. With a proper setup, I get about -3dB at 1 MHz, with a
very good looking 100 KHz square wave.
😎
Thanks for sharing this!! It looks great... but I was so happy with my F4 clone.
Will the R0 go in production soon?

Will the R0 go in production soon?
Great work (like always) Mr Pass 😉
Modifications added - I almost redesigned PCB. I will probably place sources in PDF format for a minute.
schematic f4_r0
Modifications added - I almost redesigned PCB. I will probably place sources in PDF format for a minute.
schematic f4_r0
Attachments
Not so fast - I knew there was a reason I was going to wait
a day - reload the schematic and check the connections on
D3 and D4.
www.passlabs.com/np/F4R0.pdf

a day - reload the schematic and check the connections on
D3 and D4.
www.passlabs.com/np/F4R0.pdf

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veteran said:
I hope i have your permission to print this board to test it out, ?
I placed corrections on schematic and PCB - now it should be OK 😉 I have to look at this design one more time in day light (it's midnight round here) and try to short tracks as much as it's possible.
Jleaman, you don't need a permission - do what you have to do 😎
Jleaman, you don't need a permission - do what you have to do 😎
jleaman said:I hope i have your permission to print this board to test it out, ?
Our standard IP statement: We don't interfere with non-
commercial use of published information.
(wouldn't be very effective at it anyway)
😎
This version bootstraps the front end so that the JFETs only see about 1/2 the voltage swing.
WoW! So are you saying we can get into say +-40v or so, assuming adequate cooling? Where would that put us - 50wpch or so of class A?
Thanks Mr Pass
OH, and before I forget - could you please make any more refinements before I complete mine


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