Thanks, but when using spdif outputs you're a bit limited anyway.
😕 spdif or any other outputs doesn't affect DSP load.
On another matter. In post 1249 you posted a picture of the Wave io
connection. I have connected over the uf-l connectors but I'm getting blinks
from the dsp-overload led. I haven't listened to it yet but I suspect that it will
behave as it did for a few others. Did you try the uf.l connection ? And do you
think that you can find the time to make drawing of the connection. The
picture was a bit unclear.
Connections are detailed in the Startup Guide. The only addition is the power supply to the transmitter part of the WaveIO's IL715. That's just a wire from the 5VD on Expansion Port 1 to the I2S header of the WaveIO (plus the ground return).
😕 spdif or any other outputs doesn't affect DSP load.
Connections are detailed in the Startup Guide. The only addition is the power supply to the transmitter part of the WaveIO's IL715. That's just a wire from the 5VD on Expansion Port 1 to the I2S header of the WaveIO (plus the ground return).
Let's se now, first spdif is for channel one and two. Second spdif is for channel
three and four and so on, rigth ? I can't see any possibility to divide six
channels evenly over these outputs. Am I doing this wrong or...? I will try to
put the midfrequencis on one core since it has most done to it and see what
that gives.
Edit: That worked like a charm 🙂 88% on core0 81% on core1.
Basically just moved channel one and two to channel seven and eigth.
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This is going great 😀 just added a second eq to the subchannels (maybe will
go for a dipolesystem in the future) and that evend it out to 88/86 % 🙂
This is at 192khz SR.
go for a dipolesystem in the future) and that evend it out to 88/86 % 🙂
This is at 192khz SR.
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Hi ,
I would like to know if it is possible to have 8 I2S output, Is it software limited or hardware limited???
Thank you
I would like to know if it is possible to have 8 I2S output, Is it software limited or hardware limited???
Thank you
Hi Everyone,
as my current Najda board is currently dismounted, I can't check this right now. could someone confirm the following hardware implementation on the board:
Lower cinch row : Left In/OUT1/OUT3/OUT5/OUT7
upper cinch row : Right In/OUT2/OUT4/OUT6/OUT8
Thanks in advance
Jean Claude
as my current Najda board is currently dismounted, I can't check this right now. could someone confirm the following hardware implementation on the board:
Lower cinch row : Left In/OUT1/OUT3/OUT5/OUT7
upper cinch row : Right In/OUT2/OUT4/OUT6/OUT8
Thanks in advance
Jean Claude
Not sure why you need the board at all to check this 😉 but according to the manual page 14 it is the other way round i.e.:
Upper cinch row : Left In/OUT1/OUT3/OUT5/OUT7
Lower cinch row : Right In/OUT2/OUT4/OUT6/OUT8
Upper cinch row : Left In/OUT1/OUT3/OUT5/OUT7
Lower cinch row : Right In/OUT2/OUT4/OUT6/OUT8
Not sure why you need the board at all to check this 😉 but according to the manual page 14 it is the other way round i.e.:
Upper cinch row : Left In/OUT1/OUT3/OUT5/OUT7
Lower cinch row : Right In/OUT2/OUT4/OUT6/OUT8
Hi Urban,
Thanks for the answer,
Well I'll have to change my glasses though 😉
Jean Claude
Hi ,
I would like to know if it is possible to have 8 I2S output, Is it software limited or hardware limited???
Thank you
Currently only 6 I2S outs are supported.
It would be possible to increase this number by using some pins of Expansion Port 1. Indeed, the DSP has pin switching capability, i.e. you can reroute pins between I2S ports. I'd need to double check this however.
I just managed to create a 3-way 192khz 4/order first xo and 2/order second
xo, one eq for channel 3 and 4. 96% on core 0. With 96 khz it's no problem at all.
Hi,
thank you for providing your configuration file. When I load it, I have DSP load of core 1 of 101%! and if I switch to coaxial input load increases to 120%. The strange thing is that if I switch to expansion 1 it remains 120%. if I disconnect from PC and start Najda and connect to PC again, now the load is 101%.
If I make a new setup with 192 SR it starts with 86% load on core 1. And whatever combination I try to distribute the load, I am never getting core 0 below 100%! I have bass/treble desactivated, also no EQ, only delay for bass/ treble. Is there something wrong with my Najda?
Regards
Sigi
Very nice assembly Jean-Claude. 
Alright Sigi, let's try to debug this together. What's are the DSP loads on your machine when you create fresh IIR presets at 48, 96 and 192 kHz?
Thanks,
Nick

Hi,
thank you for providing your configuration file. When I load it, I have DSP load of core 1 of 101%! and if I switch to coaxial input load increases to 120%. The strange thing is that if I switch to expansion 1 it remains 120%. if I disconnect from PC and start Najda and connect to PC again, now the load is 101%.
If I make a new setup with 192 SR it starts with 86% load on core 1. And whatever combination I try to distribute the load, I am never getting core 0 below 100%! I have bass/treble desactivated, also no EQ, only delay for bass/ treble. Is there something wrong with my Najda?
Regards
Sigi
Alright Sigi, let's try to debug this together. What's are the DSP loads on your machine when you create fresh IIR presets at 48, 96 and 192 kHz?
Thanks,
Nick
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It seems that mine does the same thing. If you switch to coaxial dsp usage
goes up and if you go back to for instance exp1 it stayes the same way until
you restart "Najda" (standby and on again).
Edit: This is the file I'm working on at the moment. Seems to be working (with a small margin but anyway).
http://www.dahlbergaudiodesign.se/3way-th-192.zip
goes up and if you go back to for instance exp1 it stayes the same way until
you restart "Najda" (standby and on again).
Edit: This is the file I'm working on at the moment. Seems to be working (with a small margin but anyway).
http://www.dahlbergaudiodesign.se/3way-th-192.zip
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Alright Sigi, let's try to debug this together. What's are the DSP loads on your machine when you create fresh IIR presets at 48, 96 and 192 kHz?
Thanks,Nick
Hi Nick,
here the results:
48 Khz : core 0=22%, core 1= 17%
96 Khz : core 0=37%, core 1= 27%
192 Khz: core 0=91%, core 1=68%
If I configure Analog input at 192Khz : core 0=88%, core 1=66%
Regards
Sigi
Hi Nick,
I have a theoretical question ( perhaps stupid, don't know). Would it be possible to make a customized configuration? I mean, by example in my system I don't need in the channel setup more than 6 channels, also don't need eq, gain adjustment,etc. Would this contribute to a lower DSP core load? and is this feasible?
Regards
Sigi
I have a theoretical question ( perhaps stupid, don't know). Would it be possible to make a customized configuration? I mean, by example in my system I don't need in the channel setup more than 6 channels, also don't need eq, gain adjustment,etc. Would this contribute to a lower DSP core load? and is this feasible?
Regards
Sigi
Hi Nick,
here the results:
48 Khz : core 0=22%, core 1= 17%
96 Khz : core 0=37%, core 1= 27%
192 Khz: core 0=91%, core 1=68%
If I configure Analog input at 192Khz : core 0=88%, core 1=66%
Regards
Sigi
Hi Sigi,
These figures look pretty much like what I'm getting with Bass/Treble on.
Can you please double check you have turned it off? ( Menu Settings -> Bass/Treble Settings, uncheck the Enable box).
Hi Nick,
I have a theoretical question ( perhaps stupid, don't know). Would it be possible to make a customized configuration? I mean, by example in my system I don't need in the channel setup more than 6 channels, also don't need eq, gain adjustment,etc. Would this contribute to a lower DSP core load? and is this feasible?
Regards
Sigi
This is not a stupid question at all. We had already discussed here that we could enable or disable individual processing channels. This would yield significant DSP load savings for those of you who use less than all 10 channels. Maybe we can push this in the next release.
Cheers,
Nick
Hi,
I've made some progress on my build. I'm still standing by for some pcbs to arrive from China to complete it
Jean Claude
Looking at it again, really very nice. Where did you have your panels machined?
Looking at it again, really very nice. Where did you have your panels machined?
Well I sent dxf files to Hifi2000 (modushop) in Italy and they did it for me but, the price for the box (GX388) jumped from 65 € to 200 € including VAT but excluding shipping.
Here are the front and rear plates
About DSP resources saving, if it's not possible or too complicated to have a pool of resources that could be shared between channels, then having the possibilities to disable individuals channels could be a solution.
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Well I sent dxf files to Hifi2000 (modushop) in Italy and they did it for me but, the price for the box (GX388) jumped from 65 € to 200 € including VAT but excluding shipping.
Here are the front and rear plates
That's really very nice, thanks for posting. The price is indeed expensive, but you have requested complicated work as well (compared to simple circular or rectangular cuts) so that looks like a fair deal.
About DSP resources saving, if it's not possible or too complicated to have a pool of resources that could be shared between channels, then having the possibilities to disable individuals channels could be a solution.
The problem is that program flow decisions do not come for free.
Let's take a conditional jump on the DSP. It's not a DSP specific instruction, and it uses up to 5 clock cycles to execute (when a MAC uses only 1 cycle).
Multiply this by 10, because there are 10 channels: that's 50 clock cycles that are not available anymore per sampling period. At 48 kHz sampling rate, this is near to nothing, but at 192 kHz, that's nearly 2%.
Basically, the more real-time flexibility I add, the more resources we spend on logic and the fewer resources we have left for DSP tasks.
That's really very nice, thanks for posting. The price is indeed expensive, but you have requested complicated work as well (compared to simple circular or rectangular cuts) so that looks like a fair deal.
The problem is that program flow decisions do not come for free.
Let's take a conditional jump on the DSP. It's not a DSP specific instruction, and it uses up to 5 clock cycles to execute (when a MAC uses only 1 cycle).
Multiply this by 10, because there are 10 channels: that's 50 clock cycles that are not available anymore per sampling period. At 48 kHz sampling rate, this is near to nothing, but at 192 kHz, that's nearly 2%.
Basically, the more real-time flexibility I add, the more resources we spend on logic and the fewer resources we have left for DSP tasks.
Thanks for the explanation, well so it's a compromise. Let's thinks about the balance:
you said at the lower end (48ks) it's almost nothing, at the other end (192ks) it's 2% so 2% in the worst case.
With the current implementation, you are already near 80% with a very basic LR24 and almost nothing more. so maybe accepting to loose 2% in favor of a more flexible arrangement could be beneficial at the end, don't you think ?
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