Does anyone else hate the term "soundstage" ?

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Does anybody hate the term.....

fas42 said:
IOW, it's precisely when it doesn't sound like an audio system, something different and 'special' - that's when it actually is doing something special ...
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I go for breakfast and order a couple of eggs on toast and a few rashers of bacon. The waitress tells me "Our breakfast is special the eggs tastes nothing like eggs, if you didn't know better you would think it is a kangaroo's balls on a piece of cardboard. Besides our bacon is equally different, nothing like you would expect, it tastes more like rotten fish!!"

That is what it is all about - it must sound like wow! What is it I am listening too, a passing train a dog barking? No, it is Diana Krall croaking! It definitely is special and different.😀
 
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If you have an oscilloscope and feed the source signal to channel A and the output from your speakers to channel B then turn the volume on the amp so the signals are the same amplitude.

You then press the button on the scope front panel that is marked A-B and you would see all the special sounds that the system has to offer.:yuck: :rofl:
 
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The point I was attempting to make was that for many people having an audio system sound 'spectacular' seems to be the point - there has to be a reason why so many of them sound downright weird, especially the expensive ones - a recording of conventional music making instruments, like voices, sounds absolutely unlike the real thing; so they're used for demo disks with impressive percussive effects - no chance of making any comparisons ....
 
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if I had a whole jazz band in my room, it would not sound special ouuuu voodoo hifi sound quality, it would be a damn band playing too loud for my room and ear and would sound quite irritating.

fas42 said:
What some people probably don't appreciate, is that a system working well at high volume, in one sense, doesn't sound special - it just sounds, well, normal!! This is because the tonalities match that of natural sounds around you, they have the character of the sound you experience in every day life, in natural environments. IOW, it's precisely when it doesn't sound like an audio system, something different and 'special' - that's when it actually is doing something special ...
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Nico Ras said:
All "facts" offered on the internet is not necessarily true - you are generalizing as if every amp in the world suffers from these issues - From you experience I take it that you have had rubbish equipment to date.😱 Do you have any idea what is clean power, maybe something that is green, runs on wind or solar energy, what?
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Nico, I know absolutely nothing; I'm just having a conversation with you about power amplifiers, soundstage, dynamics, and the reproduction of an approximation of a live music event.

Just like you I'm on the Internet, and I trust no one but only trustable sources. The Internet is full of goodies and charlatans.

My audio equipment is rubbish, and I'm not going anywhere. The facts in power amplifiers are directly related to the speakers they are designed to drive. Measurements published by pro reviewers using measuring audio/electronic tools are one of the things I base my up-to-date "savoir", and the readings from the golden ears. It's a balance.

There is no definite, nothing is perfectly equal to another, not one house has the same level of cleanness and distortion to another.
No two things or people react the exact same to two different events @ the same time.

I'm simply replying to your post above. ...Which seems to be more about me than exploring the subject of this thread.

If you want to talk about me and what and who I am; that too I can discuss, but that's not the reason why I'm here. These are forums about audio advancement with discussions.
Forget about me, and concentrate on the topic, please.

Cheers,
Bob
 
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Hi Bob, this is the lounge and general discussions with a little sarcasm here and there does not hurt - note the topic is a little wooly to say the least and I for one like to have a go at the what is perceived and what not.

Anyway I have decided to post you a pic of a monobloc that will burn wires and pop speaker cones into the neighbors yard. It is not difficult to do.

This little baby is around 4 cubic foot of heat sink driven by a 3.5kVA transformer and the output impedance is milli ohm. You make the right assumptions in that the best sounding system would present infinitely high power, not that you need it, but such a system will be infinitely linear.
 

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murphythecat8 said:
if I had a whole jazz band in my room, it would not sound special ouuuu voodoo hifi sound quality, it would be a damn band playing too loud for my room and ear and would sound quite irritating.
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Interesting comment. Personally, I love the intensity of raw instruments up close, the way the sound overwhelms you, fills your universe - excludes all else for the period of the music playing. It's the difference between enjoying a special, relatively small dish at a fine restaurant, versus shovelling in assorted bits at a McDonald's or the like while simultaneously pecking away ferociously on a piece of plastic ...

Intense is good - for the Oz crowd, I had Billy Thorpe, in his Sunbury period, 20 feet in front of me, going for it in an hall - you know you're living then ... 😉
 
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yeah, after thinkign about having a jazz band in my room, I think it would be great, but the drum would likely overwhelm me after a while. indeed a real drum fills your universe, but the hi hats if driven with force will drive you nuts after a while if your too close.
Ive often be close to a jazz band in festivals, and its pretty loud and might be annoying in my room after a while so the same thing with my system, my 3 way ca go quite loud without any effort as my 3way are 96db efficient, but I dont like lisetning too loud
fas42 said:
Interesting comment. Personally, I love the intensity of raw instruments up close, the way the sound overwhelms you, fills your universe - excludes all else for the period of the music playing. It's the difference between enjoying a special, relatively small dish at a fine restaurant, versus shovelling in assorted bits at a McDonald's or the like while simultaneously pecking away ferociously on a piece of plastic ...

Intense is good - for the Oz crowd, I had Billy Thorpe, in his Sunbury period, 20 feet in front of me, going for it in an hall - you know you're living then ... 😉
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Nico Ras said:
Hi Bob, this is the lounge and general discussions with a little sarcasm here and there does not hurt - note the topic is a little wooly to say the least and I for one like to have a go at the what is perceived and what not.

Anyway I have decided to post you a pic of a monobloc that will burn wires and pop speaker cones into the neighbors yard. It is not difficult to do.

This little baby is around 4 cubic foot of heat sink driven by a 3.5kVA transformer and the output impedance is milli ohm. You make the right assumptions in that the best sounding system would present infinitely high power, not that you need it, but such a system will be infinitely linear.
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Where do you plug it, in the washing/drying machine receptacle? ...Cooking Stove?
 
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fas42 said:
Interesting comment. Personally, I love the intensity of raw instruments up close, the way the sound overwhelms you, fills your universe - excludes all else for the period of the music playing. It's the difference between enjoying a special, relatively small dish at a fine restaurant, versus shovelling in assorted bits at a McDonald's or the like while simultaneously pecking away ferociously on a piece of plastic ...

Intense is good - for the Oz crowd, I had Billy Thorpe, in his Sunbury period, 20 feet in front of me, going for it in an hall - you know you're living then ... 😉
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That's how I grew up and kept relaying the torch. :sax::eguitar:
 
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murphythecat8 said:
if I had a whole jazz band in my room, it would not sound special ouuuu voodoo hifi sound quality, it would be a damn band playing too loud for my room and ear and would sound quite irritating.
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Err, not quite ....

Nico Ras said:
Hi Bob, this is the lounge and general discussions with a little sarcasm here and there does not hurt - note the topic is a little wooly to say the least and I for one like to have a go at the what is perceived and what not.

Anyway I have decided to post you a pic of a monobloc that will burn wires and pop speaker cones into the neighbors yard. It is not difficult to do.

This little baby is around 4 cubic foot of heat sink driven by a 3.5kVA transformer and the output impedance is milli ohm. You make the right assumptions in that the best sounding system would present infinitely high power, not that you need it, but such a system will be infinitely linear.
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Sold ...... 😀
 
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Also, the Stevie track is dead easy for an amp to do, plenty of spaces for the power supply to catch its breath - it's hard driving tracks that almost instantly expose the limitations of the amplifiers, they are constantly floundering trying to deliver energy - that's the type of track I would use to assess some "monster amp" ...
 
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