Voltage across 15R 11,55V
Voltage filaments 3,04V
Vin reg. 16,76V
Vout reg. 14,59V
Rset is 3R3//3R3 OK
R.C. reg. don't reach the 2,1V at filaments
Voltage filaments 3,04V
Vin reg. 16,76V
Vout reg. 14,59V
Rset is 3R3//3R3 OK
R.C. reg. don't reach the 2,1V at filaments
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PSU Voltage across 30R (don't have 27R) = 14,96V it's enough?
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Why???now two 10R in each +- rails.
It's (if current is 0.65A): 20R*0.65A= 13V wasted voltage.
Set the raw supply loaded output voltage to 18V with 30R as dummy load (0.6A).
Measure C1 voltage if output of raw supply is unloaded.
If it -for example- 21VDC, for loaded (0.6A) output R1 value:
(21V-18V)/0.6A= 5R.
Paralleled 10R resistors.
If you want to use two resistors (only dissipation limits justify this, only one is suitable), use two 2R5.
Lowered to 8R2 only + rail
Vin 18,xx
Vout 16,xx
Voltage filaments 3,57V
Now worse, it seems clearly the reg. doesn't work
Vin 18,xx
Vout 16,xx
Voltage filaments 3,57V
Now worse, it seems clearly the reg. doesn't work
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R.C. current setting (with trimmer) due to the CCS section, so if you test it with 18R dummy load, it turns out that it works or not.
If you haven't 18R, even with 15R the 0.65A can be set.
NEVER use parts (in this case R.C. regulator) "in live" without preliminary testing.
If you haven't 18R, even with 15R the 0.65A can be set.
NEVER use parts (in this case R.C. regulator) "in live" without preliminary testing.
I tested before, see post 122...Test filament reg. passed with 20R dummy load 13V = 650mA
What's the control range (X..Y mA) of R.C trimmer if the raw supply is 18V and load is 15-18R?
Is R8 value -in R.C.- correct?
V4 documentation:
R8: becomes 3.3K for supply voltage of 12 to 18V, 10K for 19V to 27V
Is R8 value -in R.C.- correct?
V4 documentation:
R8: becomes 3.3K for supply voltage of 12 to 18V, 10K for 19V to 27V
I wrote (as you cited Rod's recommendation):
"4.7K for 14V of filament bias (Regulator output = 16,1V, Supply input = 21,1V)"
As you can see Rod also recommend 5V headroom for v4.
Is headroom satisfying?
Is control range of R.C. working well?
If raw supply output (R.C. input) is 18V, and setting of current 0.65A, about 11.85V voltage will be on 15R series 4P1L paralleled filaments.
If the trimmer setting not working or results bad value current the output (bias and filament) voltage also bad.
Check again R.C. regulator with 18-20R dummy load.
Check the headroom voltage.
Check the control range of regulator current.
"4.7K for 14V of filament bias (Regulator output = 16,1V, Supply input = 21,1V)"
As you can see Rod also recommend 5V headroom for v4.
Is headroom satisfying?
Is control range of R.C. working well?
If raw supply output (R.C. input) is 18V, and setting of current 0.65A, about 11.85V voltage will be on 15R series 4P1L paralleled filaments.
If the trimmer setting not working or results bad value current the output (bias and filament) voltage also bad.
Check again R.C. regulator with 18-20R dummy load.
Check the headroom voltage.
Check the control range of regulator current.
Bela, What's the most important bias measurement:
1-Set the filaments to 2.1V?
2-Set the grid to -10V aprox.?
3-Set the current across 15R for 650mA?
4-For B+ I use a 10R between the OPT & the plate so using SSHV2 I set the current to 45mA, I do that because I'm using Edcor GXSE5-15K - 5W, 15K Ohms - 600 Ohms single ended tube output transformer to see if I like the sound of 4P1L with my Sennhs HD600 of 300R before to buy a new OPT and spend money.
TIA
1-Set the filaments to 2.1V?
2-Set the grid to -10V aprox.?
3-Set the current across 15R for 650mA?
4-For B+ I use a 10R between the OPT & the plate so using SSHV2 I set the current to 45mA, I do that because I'm using Edcor GXSE5-15K - 5W, 15K Ohms - 600 Ohms single ended tube output transformer to see if I like the sound of 4P1L with my Sennhs HD600 of 300R before to buy a new OPT and spend money.
TIA
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I set the bias:
Left channel
B+ 160,01V
Plate 40,66mA
Grid -9,03V
Filaments 2,1V / 597mA
Measured resistor filament 15,13 ohms
Right channel
B+ 158,94V
Plate 44,17mA
Grid -9,78V
Filaments 2,1V / 645mA
Measured resistor filament 15,16 ohms
N.B. As you can see the OPTs don't draws the same volts & the resistors aren't the same value
Left channel
B+ 160,01V
Plate 40,66mA
Grid -9,03V
Filaments 2,1V / 597mA
Measured resistor filament 15,13 ohms
Right channel
B+ 158,94V
Plate 44,17mA
Grid -9,78V
Filaments 2,1V / 645mA
Measured resistor filament 15,16 ohms
N.B. As you can see the OPTs don't draws the same volts & the resistors aren't the same value
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"resistors aren't the same value"
2% difference ... it's nothing ... even your "measuring instrument" -handheld DVM?- has 2-5% accuracy.
Set the B+ and grid voltages roughly equal, then measure Ia, Uak.
The first tube filament little thinner, than other, so hot resistance is higher, at the same filament current (I prefer it, opposed to equal filament voltage) the filament voltage will be also higher.
Do you have another tubes?
The Russian 4P1L tubes standard deviation may enough large, so even large quantity required to select similar tubes.
2% difference ... it's nothing ... even your "measuring instrument" -handheld DVM?- has 2-5% accuracy.
Set the B+ and grid voltages roughly equal, then measure Ia, Uak.
The first tube filament little thinner, than other, so hot resistance is higher, at the same filament current (I prefer it, opposed to equal filament voltage) the filament voltage will be also higher.
Do you have another tubes?
The Russian 4P1L tubes standard deviation may enough large, so even large quantity required to select similar tubes.
It seems I have to buy more 4P1L!
N.B. My Brymen BM869s 500 ohms range accuracy 0,07%+10d
N.B. My Brymen BM869s 500 ohms range accuracy 0,07%+10d
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It's the PSU CCS current, must be 8-10mA higher, than load current.so using SSHV2 I set the current to 45mA...
If the assumed anode current is 45mA (the OPT max. is 100mA) set the CCS to 55mA.
For testing it will be OK.It seems I have to buy more!
Set filament current to 0.65A, heats the tubes at least 1 hour and measure filament voltage again.
SSHV2 CCS current set to 100mA or the measurments will be different...It's the PSU CCS current, must be 8-10mA higher, than load current.
If the assumed anode current is 45mA (the OPT max. is 100mA) set the CCS to 55mA.
Yes Edcors can go max. 100mA
Do you want I set SSHV2 to130mA for 55mA each tube across the OPTs?
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