Nope, you are just stating what YOU like without anything to back it up.
No measurements, nothing besides “I’ve heard them all, they are trash, this is the good stuff.” Yeah, right.
That is the very definition of subjectivity.
I don’t subscribe to the koolaid.
I have the distinct feeling that what I like is surely not what you like anyway.
I’ve seen some FR measurements from many of those Chinese made drivers seen on Aliexpress and the likes, I’ve even bought a few ... never liked them. They are usually very mid centric, have huge breakup peaks, and abysmal distortion.
I would love to be proved wrong, but I will need more than just superlatives and trash talking.
I’ll go back to popcorn watching this funny thread.
Thanks!
No measurements, nothing besides “I’ve heard them all, they are trash, this is the good stuff.” Yeah, right.
That is the very definition of subjectivity.
I don’t subscribe to the koolaid.
I have the distinct feeling that what I like is surely not what you like anyway.
I’ve seen some FR measurements from many of those Chinese made drivers seen on Aliexpress and the likes, I’ve even bought a few ... never liked them. They are usually very mid centric, have huge breakup peaks, and abysmal distortion.
I would love to be proved wrong, but I will need more than just superlatives and trash talking.
I’ll go back to popcorn watching this funny thread.
Thanks!
Nope, you are just stating what YOU like without anything to back it up
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I guess you felt no need to RE read the seas Thor review.
Why?
Go back and read carefully what the geek says about the Thor performance.
fact is
Seas Thor is the worlds finest xovered speaker
2nd to none within its size.
dual 6's + tweeter.
Equal to Troels Gravesen's 2.5 ways,
Thus having owned the worlds best speaker , I have a valid reference point.
No snakeoil.
I am the snakeoil buster.
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I guess you felt no need to RE read the seas Thor review.
Why?
Go back and read carefully what the geek says about the Thor performance.
fact is
Seas Thor is the worlds finest xovered speaker
2nd to none within its size.
dual 6's + tweeter.
Equal to Troels Gravesen's 2.5 ways,
Thus having owned the worlds best speaker , I have a valid reference point.
No snakeoil.
I am the snakeoil buster.
Chinese made drivers seen on Aliexpress and the likes, I’ve even bought a few ... never liked them
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China probably has hundreds of these wide band speakers.
most are trash.
I've tried some 6 or 7,
The only 2 that qualify as world class super high fidelity (= to Seas Thors) are the 2 mentioned in my topic.
Now how do the german AER perform?
I have no idea.
And have zero interest to find out.
They may be superior, they may be inferior.
Its none of my business.
I know what i have and thus zero interest in any other speaker.
If these 2 labs come out witha 10 inch, I may have curiosity, nothing more.
Other than that, I found The Definitive Speaker for my music, Thus all my wants, needs, wishes and dreams are fulfilled.
My comments are here for future newbies who want to know how these WBers sound and perform.
So far my posts on the DLVX8 are the lone comments on the entire WWW.
So i've done my part.
Others down the road can chime in with their comments.
The Inet can be a source of snakeoil, or experiences based on frank , fair, honest opinions.
each has to sum up what he reads and try to read between the lines for validity.
Takes experience in this hobby to know how solid are the review's comments.
Most xover speakers are OK, until some recordings have certain fq spikes,, then things can get on my nerves,
Thus I only seek pure neutral speakers.
I can;'t take muddy, color fq spikes in upper bass/low mids.
That would be the midwoofer causing this trouble.
The 2 WBers have no issues in these 2 fq bands.
Thus granting both The Gold Medal in high fidelity midrange.
For me, midrange is everything.
I am not interested in low bass, super highs, at least not in a single wide band.
But I do demand some bass represented in a wide band, as well highs not rolled off too early in the fq spectrum.
Both WBers produce good respones in both fq bands.
The Voxativ AC1A was a bomb, , just a complete total failure. No points, Not evena bronze Medal. Disqualified.
Now how tyheir other speaker perform, may be different, I have no idea,. And will never know how other Vox perform.
One experience was quite enough. Lost $900 on that thingy.
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China probably has hundreds of these wide band speakers.
most are trash.
I've tried some 6 or 7,
The only 2 that qualify as world class super high fidelity (= to Seas Thors) are the 2 mentioned in my topic.
Now how do the german AER perform?
I have no idea.
And have zero interest to find out.
They may be superior, they may be inferior.
Its none of my business.
I know what i have and thus zero interest in any other speaker.
If these 2 labs come out witha 10 inch, I may have curiosity, nothing more.
Other than that, I found The Definitive Speaker for my music, Thus all my wants, needs, wishes and dreams are fulfilled.
My comments are here for future newbies who want to know how these WBers sound and perform.
So far my posts on the DLVX8 are the lone comments on the entire WWW.
So i've done my part.
Others down the road can chime in with their comments.
The Inet can be a source of snakeoil, or experiences based on frank , fair, honest opinions.
each has to sum up what he reads and try to read between the lines for validity.
Takes experience in this hobby to know how solid are the review's comments.
Most xover speakers are OK, until some recordings have certain fq spikes,, then things can get on my nerves,
Thus I only seek pure neutral speakers.
I can;'t take muddy, color fq spikes in upper bass/low mids.
That would be the midwoofer causing this trouble.
The 2 WBers have no issues in these 2 fq bands.
Thus granting both The Gold Medal in high fidelity midrange.
For me, midrange is everything.
I am not interested in low bass, super highs, at least not in a single wide band.
But I do demand some bass represented in a wide band, as well highs not rolled off too early in the fq spectrum.
Both WBers produce good respones in both fq bands.
The Voxativ AC1A was a bomb, , just a complete total failure. No points, Not evena bronze Medal. Disqualified.
Now how tyheir other speaker perform, may be different, I have no idea,. And will never know how other Vox perform.
One experience was quite enough. Lost $900 on that thingy.
Do you have an opinion on xover high sensitivity types?
I'm getting the feeling that you haven't had the opportunity to hear good examples of other speakers (to the standards you're talking about).. they can be quite rare.
A tech geek who did mod work on the Defy, had stacked AR3;s.
He loved the sound, sort of a club sound from the 70;'s.
I was impressed
Had a big Golden Tube amp, Conrad Johnson line stage
But you know his room was big, high ceiling. so any resonances were diluted/softened.
In my small room, very near field listening,,may be OK for a few weeks, after that certain recordings would grate on my nerves.
I simply must have a speaker as neutral as possible.
The Seas fulfilled that order,
Caveat was the low sens, at 87db.
Now that I've heard WBers in the past 12 months,, my cut off point is 92db.
91db lets me thing its not a high quality WBer.
Yes I know we can't believe all the specs listed on any speaker,,but in these 2 speakers the 92db sens was accurate.
So thats my line 92db sens.
I found the ever popular LII fast 8 (old model) to be a bomb.
Has a PLASTIC!!!! phase plug.
Just awaeful, But they sell alot.
Folks go for them, as they offer 10-15 inchers.
and prices are low, under $1G.
But they are not quality. Low Fidelity.
Davidlouis yellow cone Neo Dymium 6 incher, OK, but mids have a few issues in certain fq;'s,. = ,, so rejected.
Midrange across the entire spectrum has to be no spikes, pure linearity, not stress, nada coloration.
= High Fidelity.
So far only 2 that I know meet this Gold standrad.
Not sure how AER voices.
My guess is high fidelity.
But I;'ll never find out, unless I attend a audio show.
bd - AER Loudspeakers
He loved the sound, sort of a club sound from the 70;'s.
I was impressed
Had a big Golden Tube amp, Conrad Johnson line stage
But you know his room was big, high ceiling. so any resonances were diluted/softened.
In my small room, very near field listening,,may be OK for a few weeks, after that certain recordings would grate on my nerves.
I simply must have a speaker as neutral as possible.
The Seas fulfilled that order,
Caveat was the low sens, at 87db.
Now that I've heard WBers in the past 12 months,, my cut off point is 92db.
91db lets me thing its not a high quality WBer.
Yes I know we can't believe all the specs listed on any speaker,,but in these 2 speakers the 92db sens was accurate.
So thats my line 92db sens.
I found the ever popular LII fast 8 (old model) to be a bomb.
Has a PLASTIC!!!! phase plug.
Just awaeful, But they sell alot.
Folks go for them, as they offer 10-15 inchers.
and prices are low, under $1G.
But they are not quality. Low Fidelity.
Davidlouis yellow cone Neo Dymium 6 incher, OK, but mids have a few issues in certain fq;'s,. = ,, so rejected.
Midrange across the entire spectrum has to be no spikes, pure linearity, not stress, nada coloration.
= High Fidelity.
So far only 2 that I know meet this Gold standrad.
Not sure how AER voices.
My guess is high fidelity.
But I;'ll never find out, unless I attend a audio show.
bd - AER Loudspeakers
After the Voxativ disaster, I can't find the courage to pull the trigger ordering a pair of AER's, when I have these guys at a bit lower(more reasonable) price.
I mean, is a WBer anything more than a cone/whizzer and magnet motor system...??
Do the AER's have some top secret special design hidden within??? Making the speakers worth the asking price??
2 two unit Melo David audio VX8 hiend 8inch wooden cone fullrange full range speaker|Speaker Accessories| - AliExpress
The wood bamboo cones really work for me. The delicate, yet stiff whizzer also is a winner.
Details and attention on every sq centimeter.
Some geek in china knows how to build a WBer, Thats for sure.
I mean, is a WBer anything more than a cone/whizzer and magnet motor system...??
Do the AER's have some top secret special design hidden within??? Making the speakers worth the asking price??
2 two unit Melo David audio VX8 hiend 8inch wooden cone fullrange full range speaker|Speaker Accessories| - AliExpress
The wood bamboo cones really work for me. The delicate, yet stiff whizzer also is a winner.
Details and attention on every sq centimeter.
Some geek in china knows how to build a WBer, Thats for sure.
Wood & bamboo?
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My guess is wood dervied from bamoo.
Its definetly wood, whereas the Tang band 2145 is bamboo fiber.
Both have near idential bass characterists, how or why that is so, is a mystery
But like yeah, the wood cone is really cone, offers nice clean distortion free bass.
Accurate.
The Voxativ AC1A , had a super thin papyrus *calligraphy* paper cone.
I have no idea how a super thin paper cone would produce bass.
The pill magnet structure I think is far inferior to their other heavy ferrite magnet motors\
Still witha thin paper cone,, how is this going to make punchy bass???
Look i need some help from you guys
I have the Seas Thors.
Dumped the tweeter
Madisound built new xovers with bass section ona separate board.
So i am running a Goertz massive copper coil, and 2 resistors.
The cap is a Mundorf silver oil supreme 10uf..
I had a online chart showing separate woofer vaules, from the tweeter,,but can't relocatte that link
So If I runa 10uf,, up to what fq is the W18's rolling off?
and a 8uf?
Also note,,I madea experiement,,
i wanted to test the Seas W18's linearity..so i hooked up the dual W18's direct to speaker cable, sort of wide band, no xover.
And it did not work.
There are unwanted resonances w/o the xover 10uf cap.
The 10uf works excellent, allowing just enough ofb the W18's to add bass and rolling off lower midrange BEFORE the upper midrange resonaces kick in.
Its a great woofer, but not so much in the lower midrange, say about whatever fq the 10uf cuts off.
I think its like 1600 hz's with a 10uf ,,and with a 8uf, its like 1200hz...
Or do i have it backwards.
Lower the value, higher the fq cutoff on a woofer....
???
8 ohms. No tweeter involved. Tweeter is on a separate speaker line.
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My guess is wood dervied from bamoo.
Its definetly wood, whereas the Tang band 2145 is bamboo fiber.
Both have near idential bass characterists, how or why that is so, is a mystery
But like yeah, the wood cone is really cone, offers nice clean distortion free bass.
Accurate.
The Voxativ AC1A , had a super thin papyrus *calligraphy* paper cone.
I have no idea how a super thin paper cone would produce bass.
The pill magnet structure I think is far inferior to their other heavy ferrite magnet motors\
Still witha thin paper cone,, how is this going to make punchy bass???
Look i need some help from you guys
I have the Seas Thors.
Dumped the tweeter
Madisound built new xovers with bass section ona separate board.
So i am running a Goertz massive copper coil, and 2 resistors.
The cap is a Mundorf silver oil supreme 10uf..
I had a online chart showing separate woofer vaules, from the tweeter,,but can't relocatte that link
So If I runa 10uf,, up to what fq is the W18's rolling off?
and a 8uf?
Also note,,I madea experiement,,
i wanted to test the Seas W18's linearity..so i hooked up the dual W18's direct to speaker cable, sort of wide band, no xover.
And it did not work.
There are unwanted resonances w/o the xover 10uf cap.
The 10uf works excellent, allowing just enough ofb the W18's to add bass and rolling off lower midrange BEFORE the upper midrange resonaces kick in.
Its a great woofer, but not so much in the lower midrange, say about whatever fq the 10uf cuts off.
I think its like 1600 hz's with a 10uf ,,and with a 8uf, its like 1200hz...
Or do i have it backwards.
Lower the value, higher the fq cutoff on a woofer....
???
8 ohms. No tweeter involved. Tweeter is on a separate speaker line.
Bamboo is a grass. You can’t make wood from it. Just wood like material.
Interesting..
I have no idea, but whatever type of wood product it is, but has super tonal character.
Versus, Vox's paper cone, which I am curious how is thin paper going to produce solid punchy bass???
I have no clue.
AER's cone looks high quality, , stiff yet forgiving.
I have bamboo wood floors in my home.
Interesting..
I have no idea, but whatever type of wood product it is, but has super tonal character.
Versus, Vox's paper cone, which I am curious how is thin paper going to produce solid punchy bass???
I have no clue.
AER's cone looks high quality, , stiff yet forgiving.
I have bamboo wood floors in my home.
Well, we want a WB to presenta nice balance.
Rolls off too early on either end = reject.
Sure we are mainly after stunning rich midrange in all its glory.
Yet we can't let go of at least some solid bass, say 50hz (40hz is The Ideal), and highs, at the very least some sparkles say 12khz, 15k even sweeter.
Paper cones, thin at that, just can't matcha nice wood cone, or TB2145's Fiber cone.
The whizzer takes care of highs,, here we want light weight paper composite,,which both the DLVX8 and TB2145 are supplied with.
Vox offers 3 models with wood cones
AER has some sort of paper with fibers,,,
We built a miniOnken for Cal with the 6.5 (IIRC) and i have a pair of 5.25” in my for sale pile.
Decent drivers.
dave
Except for some wood cones that use thin veneer, these are all paper. With literally millions of paper recipes one cannot make such a wide generalization as you keep doing.
dave
Except for some wood cones that use thin veneer, these are all paper. With literally millions of paper recipes one cannot make such a wide generalization as you keep doing.
I understand what you are suggesting
Trust me, these are not . paper composite aka fake wood
wood w vaneer
semi wood,
part wood.
might be wood/ then might not be
These are REAL bonifide 100% pure wood.
How they make it into this thin cone matterial is a mystery.
Look at Voxativ's web site,
The 1 st pic is almost exactly same wood as in these DLVX8's.
Its wood, not woodpapercomposite mix.
Obviously its not wood like oak, pine, birch.
Google wood speaker cones and ck out sites for info.
I'm not that interested.
I understand what you are suggesting
Trust me, these are not . paper composite aka fake wood
wood w vaneer
semi wood,
part wood.
might be wood/ then might not be
These are REAL bonifide 100% pure wood.
How they make it into this thin cone matterial is a mystery.
Look at Voxativ's web site,
The 1 st pic is almost exactly same wood as in these DLVX8's.
Its wood, not woodpapercomposite mix.
Obviously its not wood like oak, pine, birch.
Google wood speaker cones and ck out sites for info.
I'm not that interested.