Consider the Elon Musk Mars Fantasy

without a problem, there is no need for a solution.

If the solution is moving to Mars, there must be a problem associated with it.

So, what is the problem? Life on earth is unbearable?.....seems to me that brilliant minds could fix that very easily, much easier than modifying an entire planet for us to inhabit
Adventure? Challenge? The desire to explore and experience new things? We would all still be clustered around a small portion of Africa if that was the prevailing attitude of the human race. 😀

My ancestors choose to come to a wild and untamed place centuries ago in rickety little ships across an unforgiving sea with very little technology or understanding of the world around them. I think we can do this, and Jan is right.
 
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There is no evidence that man kind are capable to survive in an environment other the one we have adapted over a very long time.
Thus the colonialisation of America by the European is a bad example.
Otherwise we should have settled on the ground of the sea or in the holes of volcanos before considering other planets.
Bad analogy and overcome by reality. Ask the guys and gals that routinely stay for months in an air tight comtraption circling this globe.

Jan
 
The idea that European colonists are an example of success against adversity or other endless compliments is somewhat ridiculous. A true student of history (or reading the Coles notes version "Guns, Germs, and Steel") would explain that it was one big fluke.
 
Well, since the solar storms of which we speak were the reason Mars no longer has a significant atmosphere, I'd hate to think what they might do to any settlement we attempted. If you consider the cycles of strong vs weaker are consistent, I'm sure glad no one was there this year, which happens to be the strongest part of that cycle.

Anyone is welcome to dream but to me it is a nightmare of which the required technology and logistics do not yet exist. I don't believe we will be able to rationalize an attempt at settlement for perhaps another century. Who knows?

King Arthur had the fix... just make sure you put the face mask on.

A Faraday Body Cage before Faraday...

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I think I have been mis-interpreted to a small degree. (And I probably was not clear enough.) I am well aware of the tremendous technical challenges and know I don't have the entire picture as to what is entailed, but there will be individuals willing to take those risks nonetheless. And dead is dead no matter how you die, taking risks is what I was talking about.

Lack of gravity is a problem for humans, but there are at least proposed solutions for that problem, unlikely we will see it implemented in our life times. (Look at 2001 as an inspiration for technologies that are within our reach and don't require impossible physics to achieve.)

Don't beat up on me for believing in the ingenuity of as yet unborn human beings. 😀
 
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Adventure? Challenge? The desire to explore and experience new things?
The race to the moon was driven by cold war's need to prove superiority at all costs. and the amount of manpower and other ressources to do it was incredible.
While i can imagine elon musk is willing to prove to himself that he is able to send people to mars I still doubt today there is enough (political) will and reason to do it.
 
Human:
Mom, can I build a spaceship and go to Mars?

Mother Nature:
No dear, not until you clean up the plastic in your oceans and the mercury in your drinking water

Human: aw Mom...

----------500 years later----------

Humanoid:

Dad, Mom said that after I clean all of the plastic out of my oceans and the mercury out of my drinking water, I can build a spaceship to Mars, but now I need to pollute the environment to do so.

Fictional Male Deity:
Okay son, if you can get enough investors and convince them they will make huge profits, I'll spin it so you become a God-like figure, just like me.

Humanoid:
Thanks, Dad


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