Commercial Forum?
I don't understand how a Commercial Forum would work even if it were introduced.
I post on the Loudspeaker Forum from time to time. Usually, this has been when I have felt I could contribute some useful information in response to a question asked.
If there were a Commercial Forum, how would it work?
As a manufacturer would I have to use the new forum to post any responses to questions raised on the Loudspeaker Forum or would the Commercial Forum be used for blatantly commercial postings only?
My suggestion is this ...
A "Commercial Moderation Committee" be set up of the existing moderators. If anyone considers any posts to be spam or over-commercial, then they should send a note to this committee. The committee should then decide what action to take (contacting the offending party, banning them for grave or repeat offences, etc.).
Finally a question ...
Every now and again someone, not unnaturally, starts a "which drive unit ...?" thread on the Loudspeaker forum. Sometimes I respond by posting the name of a manufacturer whose products I admire. I have no connection with the manufacturer so that's all fine and dandy.
However, there is a possibility that I will join forces (commercially) with this manufacturer. Do I then stop posting my advice on which drive units could be used?
I don't understand how a Commercial Forum would work even if it were introduced.
I post on the Loudspeaker Forum from time to time. Usually, this has been when I have felt I could contribute some useful information in response to a question asked.
If there were a Commercial Forum, how would it work?
As a manufacturer would I have to use the new forum to post any responses to questions raised on the Loudspeaker Forum or would the Commercial Forum be used for blatantly commercial postings only?
My suggestion is this ...
A "Commercial Moderation Committee" be set up of the existing moderators. If anyone considers any posts to be spam or over-commercial, then they should send a note to this committee. The committee should then decide what action to take (contacting the offending party, banning them for grave or repeat offences, etc.).
Finally a question ...
Every now and again someone, not unnaturally, starts a "which drive unit ...?" thread on the Loudspeaker forum. Sometimes I respond by posting the name of a manufacturer whose products I admire. I have no connection with the manufacturer so that's all fine and dandy.
However, there is a possibility that I will join forces (commercially) with this manufacturer. Do I then stop posting my advice on which drive units could be used?
Hi Steve,
Your post have always been very helpful and welcome. It is very clear from your post that you enjoy coming here and helping others. Mentioning a particular manufacturers product is not an issue. I would think that mentioning your own products from time to time wouldn't be an issue either considering this is where you have concentrated your expertise.
This, I feel, is a different situation. Nearly all of LC's 24 posts over 3 months were about his products. Granted, there were some specific question ask about his products to which he quickly responded. However, not once in 3 months did he ever add anything to any other thread. No help or comment unless it was about his products.
I can certianly understand the hesitation over a dedicated commercial forum and the possible ramifications. I guess I was looking for the easy answer with out giving the idea enough thought.
This still leaves us with the same question; where is the line?
Your post have always been very helpful and welcome. It is very clear from your post that you enjoy coming here and helping others. Mentioning a particular manufacturers product is not an issue. I would think that mentioning your own products from time to time wouldn't be an issue either considering this is where you have concentrated your expertise.
This, I feel, is a different situation. Nearly all of LC's 24 posts over 3 months were about his products. Granted, there were some specific question ask about his products to which he quickly responded. However, not once in 3 months did he ever add anything to any other thread. No help or comment unless it was about his products.
I can certianly understand the hesitation over a dedicated commercial forum and the possible ramifications. I guess I was looking for the easy answer with out giving the idea enough thought.
This still leaves us with the same question; where is the line?
roddyama said:
Not to defend LC in any special way - it is true that many of his posts were related to his products, relevant to the forum or not.
But I have to point out that the quote above is not entirely correct.
In this post, LC does in fact add something not related to his product.
And in this post he also makes a good point, albeit he doesn't say it completely objectively... which leads to some mud-throwing, for which he apologizes here where he actually is positive towards Elso's (competing) design.
For others, "OK" may not sound that positive, but we should remember that Lars is from Jutland (so am I), where "OK" and "all right" is just about the best it can get.
I am not in any way taking sides or objecting to the discussion in this thread, but we should remember to look closely at facts before judging anyone. Maybe we should give LC & others some more posts to get accustomed to the forum, and to fight off support questions from members who have bought their products.
Cheers, cdl
roddyama said:
Sorry, Rod, but that line is not only quite wide, but it moves. One magazine quote about political polls that I read recently may be helpful - "...the important thing is not where he is, but which way the trend is going."
🙂ensen
I agree with Rodd. The trigger level for Lars was very low in order to be thrown to the wolves. Not much patiens. The agian, he lost his temper be he isn't the first one here and there is a sinbin.
He has mentioned his products but not more than everyone can bear and 24 post isn't much to draw any conclusions of.
He has mentioned his products but not more than everyone can bear and 24 post isn't much to draw any conclusions of.
peranders said:
Why am I not surprised at your views on the issue?
Wait. I remember why........
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=246037#post246037
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=244843#post244843
Fred,
while I do agree with you that Per-Anders is promoting his
commercial stuff too often, let's not forget that there are
a number of forum members, including your dear friend Jocko,
who also take the occasional opportunity to tell us that they sell
components etc. Where is your tolerance limit, and why do
some people seem to be above it and others not?
All,
there has been suggestions that Lars at LC posts here as a
private person. I agree that would be better, and that seems
to be what all other professionals do. I do, however, think it
is a very good idea that professionals do provide a link to their
business, like Jonathan Carr and others, in their postings. If
professionals post here, which most of us welcome, I think it
is appropriate that they clearly flag that they are professionals.
This will avoid any potential problems of being accused of
posing as an amateur to "steal" ideas for commercial products.
How many "amateurs" here do actually have a commercial audio
business that benefits from their participation in this forum but
do not tell us so? Quite a number I would think. It is better to
play with open cards, I think.
while I do agree with you that Per-Anders is promoting his
commercial stuff too often, let's not forget that there are
a number of forum members, including your dear friend Jocko,
who also take the occasional opportunity to tell us that they sell
components etc. Where is your tolerance limit, and why do
some people seem to be above it and others not?
All,
there has been suggestions that Lars at LC posts here as a
private person. I agree that would be better, and that seems
to be what all other professionals do. I do, however, think it
is a very good idea that professionals do provide a link to their
business, like Jonathan Carr and others, in their postings. If
professionals post here, which most of us welcome, I think it
is appropriate that they clearly flag that they are professionals.
This will avoid any potential problems of being accused of
posing as an amateur to "steal" ideas for commercial products.
How many "amateurs" here do actually have a commercial audio
business that benefits from their participation in this forum but
do not tell us so? Quite a number I would think. It is better to
play with open cards, I think.
Fred, you are really sensitive. I happen to have things in drawers which I happens to sell very cheap. I have much more but I haven't sorted it out. (More relays...)You scream COMMERCIAL about everything that isn't for free.Fred Dieckmann said:
Moderators
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Petter
Please change the name of this thread to fingerpointing. That will make it easier for people on this forum to prioritize their surfing time ...
Petter
Christer:
There is a difference between selling leftover parts, at or below market value, to clear out space and allow people to put them to good use:
And blatant abuse telling everyone in every other post that you have a commecial interest.
I do not care if Per has tons of left over stuff to sell. Fine by me, and I suspect everyone else. Yet I have given him grief for promoting his site too much.
Do you see the difference? Yes, may be a fine line, but if you take into account # of posts selling old parts vs. # of posts promoting an active business and # of posts actually contributing useful information to the forum, it should not be hard to tell the DIY'er from the shill.
Jocko
There is a difference between selling leftover parts, at or below market value, to clear out space and allow people to put them to good use:
And blatant abuse telling everyone in every other post that you have a commecial interest.
I do not care if Per has tons of left over stuff to sell. Fine by me, and I suspect everyone else. Yet I have given him grief for promoting his site too much.
Do you see the difference? Yes, may be a fine line, but if you take into account # of posts selling old parts vs. # of posts promoting an active business and # of posts actually contributing useful information to the forum, it should not be hard to tell the DIY'er from the shill.
Jocko
Jocko,
First, I was not meaning to complain about you or anybody
else selling components occasionally, but it was kind of obvioous
to take you as an example since it was Fred complaining. I
can only remember one case where you said you were selling
components. There are others doing it more often.
There is a distinction, but it is a gradual one, so it is not obvious
where the borderline is, and different people will most certainly
have different opinions on this. It is easy to complain, like Fred
did, but it is not so easy to define rules, unless they forbid
all selling of stuff. I guess that was my point.
First, I was not meaning to complain about you or anybody
else selling components occasionally, but it was kind of obvioous
to take you as an example since it was Fred complaining. I
can only remember one case where you said you were selling
components. There are others doing it more often.
There is a distinction, but it is a gradual one, so it is not obvious
where the borderline is, and different people will most certainly
have different opinions on this. It is easy to complain, like Fred
did, but it is not so easy to define rules, unless they forbid
all selling of stuff. I guess that was my point.
Hi,
What's wrong with selling components all of a sudden?
That's what the trading post is for, isn't it?
Cheers,😉
What's wrong with selling components all of a sudden?
That's what the trading post is for, isn't it?
Cheers,😉
Frank,
I don't think people have any problem with the trading post
forum. I think it is mainly when people try to sell stuff in other
forums.
Personally, I think also that may be OK in some cases. If I ask
if someone has PCBs for a specific circuit, then I am actually
asking for someone selling them. Similarly, if I ask where I
can buy a specific, difficult-to-get component, I think it is
reasonable if someone says he/she can sell me some. On the
other hand, it is more questionable if someone tries to sell
something else than I asked for. Unprovokedly saying they
have PCBs/components for sale when nobody asked for it
belongs in the trading post forum entirely, in my opinion.
I don't think people have any problem with the trading post
forum. I think it is mainly when people try to sell stuff in other
forums.
Personally, I think also that may be OK in some cases. If I ask
if someone has PCBs for a specific circuit, then I am actually
asking for someone selling them. Similarly, if I ask where I
can buy a specific, difficult-to-get component, I think it is
reasonable if someone says he/she can sell me some. On the
other hand, it is more questionable if someone tries to sell
something else than I asked for. Unprovokedly saying they
have PCBs/components for sale when nobody asked for it
belongs in the trading post forum entirely, in my opinion.
Hi Christer,
If a member needs to ask for info on commercial product by another member wouldn't it then be apropriate to conduct such exchange in private?
E-mail or through the manufacturer forum, whatever.
I agree with you that occasionally it can be O.K. but if a company uses the forum to promote product or to badmouth a competitors'
product then action should be taken against the offender IMO.
Most of the time it's pretty obvious when the line is crossed and when other members start complaining about it then surely, something is not what they expect it to be.
Exactly.
We all make mistakes so if it's a one off then that's no big deal to me.
If, however it becomes a recurring event by the same member then action should be taken against that member.
Anyway, nice talking to you again...it's been a while.🙂
Cheers,😉
If a member needs to ask for info on commercial product by another member wouldn't it then be apropriate to conduct such exchange in private?
E-mail or through the manufacturer forum, whatever.
I agree with you that occasionally it can be O.K. but if a company uses the forum to promote product or to badmouth a competitors'
product then action should be taken against the offender IMO.
Most of the time it's pretty obvious when the line is crossed and when other members start complaining about it then surely, something is not what they expect it to be.
Exactly.
We all make mistakes so if it's a one off then that's no big deal to me.
If, however it becomes a recurring event by the same member then action should be taken against that member.
Anyway, nice talking to you again...it's been a while.🙂
Cheers,😉
fdegrove said:
Maybe I was unclear. I meant rather if I ask where I can buy
a 2NXXX or a brand Y resistor, it might be OK for people to
happen to have a surplus of these to offer selling. This is not
obvious. though.
Well, it seems not, or we wouldn't have these discussions.
Nice talking to you too. I stayed away from the forum for a
couple of months during the summer. Maybe I put myself
in a voluntary sinbin for posting too much. 😉
In lieu of a commercial forum, I submit the following:
Why not add two additional entries to the information under the moniker.
These would be optional entries but perhaps when subscribing individuals could be strongly encouraged to fill them in...
The first would be Company: and would allow manufacturers (and individuals) a place to list their company name if they so chose.
The second would be Website: and would allow the manufacturers to list their site.
Yes, I realize that we already have a WWW button that appears down below. The point here is those individuals who are manufacturers would have a place that shows which company they are affiliated with if they chose to list it. There would be no need for someone to constantly be linking or mentioning their website because it would be in plain view all of the time.
Whether someone follows the link would be completely up to the individual reader. The obvious benefit is the more someone contributes to the forum the more their website link is in view...
Obviously, the moderators would still need to keep an eye on the posts to ensure that they were on topic and not just spam.
I also feel that in the case of perceived spam, the appropriate action would be for the moderators to send a gently worded email to the individual reminding them that this is a DIY forum. If this proved insufficient, then stronger measures would be in order...
I don't feel that it should be viewed negatively if an individual links to technical information on their site. I don't see this as being any different then searching via Google to find the information. To me, this is just a time saver. The most important issue would be that the linking must be on topic...
The side benefit of allowing this type of linking would be that there would be no question as to whether or not a manufacturer minded if we discussed their schematics or product. Because they would be the source, we would know about the design process/problems/etc. from the horse's mouth so to speak... This type of discussion could easily lead to recommendations from them on how to improve their products due to cost or design constraints during development and would benefit those seeking to move beyond what was offered commercially...
Lastly, I do feel some sort of written guidelines defining what is considered spamming would be in order. This way, when the moderators contact a manufacturer regarding potential offenses, the individual could be referred back to the "rules" so to speak...
Comments?
Why not add two additional entries to the information under the moniker.
These would be optional entries but perhaps when subscribing individuals could be strongly encouraged to fill them in...
The first would be Company: and would allow manufacturers (and individuals) a place to list their company name if they so chose.
The second would be Website: and would allow the manufacturers to list their site.
Yes, I realize that we already have a WWW button that appears down below. The point here is those individuals who are manufacturers would have a place that shows which company they are affiliated with if they chose to list it. There would be no need for someone to constantly be linking or mentioning their website because it would be in plain view all of the time.
Whether someone follows the link would be completely up to the individual reader. The obvious benefit is the more someone contributes to the forum the more their website link is in view...
Obviously, the moderators would still need to keep an eye on the posts to ensure that they were on topic and not just spam.
I also feel that in the case of perceived spam, the appropriate action would be for the moderators to send a gently worded email to the individual reminding them that this is a DIY forum. If this proved insufficient, then stronger measures would be in order...
I don't feel that it should be viewed negatively if an individual links to technical information on their site. I don't see this as being any different then searching via Google to find the information. To me, this is just a time saver. The most important issue would be that the linking must be on topic...
The side benefit of allowing this type of linking would be that there would be no question as to whether or not a manufacturer minded if we discussed their schematics or product. Because they would be the source, we would know about the design process/problems/etc. from the horse's mouth so to speak... This type of discussion could easily lead to recommendations from them on how to improve their products due to cost or design constraints during development and would benefit those seeking to move beyond what was offered commercially...
Lastly, I do feel some sort of written guidelines defining what is considered spamming would be in order. This way, when the moderators contact a manufacturer regarding potential offenses, the individual could be referred back to the "rules" so to speak...
Comments?
What is the value of knowledge compared to the value of a nice Plitron?
Aren’t we all giving away the best knowledge we have to this forum?
We should, and if we don’t, I can only accept it for commercial reasons. So called intellectual property.
Otherwise we shouldn’t post. A forum, and especially this one give tremendous rewards when you can give something of your knowledge to others. So giving just a bit of what we think is allowed is not enough.
It’s a blessing for the whole community that knowledge is free.
Occasionally selling something is not at all a problem. Selling a few parts here and there is also a way to get rewarded for the free knowledge you have given. It must be fun to know that that SAAxxx is now build into a
piece of audio from another fellow member.
Most people who can sell a few transistors or even a bunch of big caps are more proud than they ever will earn big money true this forum.
It certainly will not make them rich. It’s more the fun of doing it.
If people consider it as spam, don’t read it, ignore it or whatever you want are options.
(The occasionally flames and harsh talk are much more irritant.)
Just like any other off-topic posts the moderators could move them to the trading post. Simple.
I agree with Christer who explains very well what it’s all about
here
In brief:
If someone needs something that’s difficult to get and you have it, sell it.
If you have surplus, move to the trading post.
If you know something, give the best of your knowledge or else don’t post.
/Hugo
Aren’t we all giving away the best knowledge we have to this forum?
We should, and if we don’t, I can only accept it for commercial reasons. So called intellectual property.
Otherwise we shouldn’t post. A forum, and especially this one give tremendous rewards when you can give something of your knowledge to others. So giving just a bit of what we think is allowed is not enough.
It’s a blessing for the whole community that knowledge is free.
Occasionally selling something is not at all a problem. Selling a few parts here and there is also a way to get rewarded for the free knowledge you have given. It must be fun to know that that SAAxxx is now build into a
piece of audio from another fellow member.
Most people who can sell a few transistors or even a bunch of big caps are more proud than they ever will earn big money true this forum.
It certainly will not make them rich. It’s more the fun of doing it.
If people consider it as spam, don’t read it, ignore it or whatever you want are options.
(The occasionally flames and harsh talk are much more irritant.)
Just like any other off-topic posts the moderators could move them to the trading post. Simple.
I agree with Christer who explains very well what it’s all about
here
In brief:
If someone needs something that’s difficult to get and you have it, sell it.
If you have surplus, move to the trading post.
If you know something, give the best of your knowledge or else don’t post.
/Hugo
B!tw!
We have a place for selling parts. It is called the Trading Post. Trolling for a thread related to what you would like to sell in search of a victim... er... I mean customer, is opportunistic and abusive. Han är mycket girig efter pengar?
BTW seems to stand more for BUY! THIS WAY! instead of by the way.......
We have a place for selling parts. It is called the Trading Post. Trolling for a thread related to what you would like to sell in search of a victim... er... I mean customer, is opportunistic and abusive. Han är mycket girig efter pengar?
BTW seems to stand more for BUY! THIS WAY! instead of by the way.......
This is long - Sorry....
Fred,
I don't believe that I've seen this going on. Can you be specific? My interpretation of this would be a post something like "Don't buy it from Future, I have them available cheaper..." To me, this is the type of in-your-face advertising that I would find VERY objectionable...
From what I've seen, discussions take place regarding a wide variety of topics. Individuals join-in based on either their interest or expertise in the area. If such an individual happens to be either a manufacturer or a parts supplier but is sharing knowledge ON TOPIC then what's the problem? Again, if ON TOPIC why can't they link to either datasheets or one of their own products on their own site as part of the discussion?
(I've kept hammering the ON TOPIC thing because I think the moderators do a great job and am confident given this subject that they will continue to do so...)
How is it any different from someone's personal www button at the bottom of the page where perhaps they have listed a bunch of schematics? What if on their personal page they have a list of stuff that they're selling? Does this make them a commercial interest in your eyes? Where's the line?
I would like to cite the remote volume and switching circuit that was launched a couple of months ago. I thought the process that I saw take place was fantastic. They created a product based on the feedback received from the forum and as a result it's a very usable product. I view this as a GREAT thing because all of us now have access to something that otherwise may never have been created... Sure, it was a forum effort and they stand to make money from it. I honestly hope they do!!! They were willing to take a risk and try launching a new product. It still required them to do the lion's share of the work and they took all the risk. I think the input they received was huge help in refining the product and I believe that they will also share their input if someone else in interested in trying the same thing... I'm not at all jealous but would rather see them be a huge success!
I guess our views of the world are different. I don't believe in the "keep it all a big secret because somebody might steal it" concept.
My view is there is more than enough pie to go around for all. The notion of holding everything "close to the chest" to me is self defeating. In the long run, the customers will be better served by the designers being open. I will cite an current example of mine: I own a Sumo Andromeda II power amp. When Sumo closed down, all of the technical info and schematics went with them. They were one of the manufacturers who ground the part numbers off of all of the semiconductors in the unit. It currently has a blown channel. Now, I have a boat anchor because of this company policy. Now how much sense does that make? Who's interest was served here? Certainly not mine, and the company is long gone. Do you think it will affect my decision on whether or not to buy another James B. product? You bet it will....
Further, I now research new purchases whenever possible to see if the manufacturer removes part numbers. If they do, I walk away and don't ever look at their products again. I am actually glad when they go out of business because I feel they deserved it. Any company that tries to force a consumer to keep coming back because they are the only source for information and then charge brutal fees because they have a captive audience should be gone...
I would like to mention JCarr's posts as an example of why I think company links would be a very good idea. I honestly didn't connect who he was until I clicked one of the links that he included in one of his posts. All I knew was he seemed to always be a gentleman and seemed very knowledgeable. I definitely knew who Lyra was and connected the two after following the link. My reaction was one of amazement that we had another well respected designer on the site. This has actually happened to me several times because I'm not someone who keeps track of names. By having a link to their company it has opened the door for me to explore their products...
I also have no illusions regarding manufacturer participation on this forum. You can ABSOLUTELY bet that when contemplating new purchases, I will look at their products first and will buy from them if I am going to buy a commercial product (if the price is within range). I will do this for two primary reasons: First, as a thank you for enriching my knowledge and wanting to see them survive. Second, because in many cases reading their posts imparts a sense of "they really know what they're doing".
One other thing; not all of us are in the electronics business from a commercial standpoint. We don't have the same easy access to larger quantities of samples as some of you do. As a result, it is often difficult to acquire parts in small quantities. I have purchased from Steve @ Apex because I saw a post he made regarding technical info on some caps he had available in a capacitor discussion thread. As it turned out, I bought a case from him. That case quantity still cost me far less than if I had purchased them from any "standard" supplier. I wasn't pushed to his site but rather just searched and found a link that he had posted sometime much earlier in a different thread. I thought it was great because it allowed me to get my Aleph's one step closer and save a bit of money in the process... It also turned me on to a supplier that I would have never known about.
In closing, I don't want the in-your-face advertising that I see on other sites. On the other hand, I certainly don't object to it being very easy (perhaps with a link) for me to find out more about the individual and what they do whether commercial or not.
Just a my thoughts...
Fred,
I don't believe that I've seen this going on. Can you be specific? My interpretation of this would be a post something like "Don't buy it from Future, I have them available cheaper..." To me, this is the type of in-your-face advertising that I would find VERY objectionable...
From what I've seen, discussions take place regarding a wide variety of topics. Individuals join-in based on either their interest or expertise in the area. If such an individual happens to be either a manufacturer or a parts supplier but is sharing knowledge ON TOPIC then what's the problem? Again, if ON TOPIC why can't they link to either datasheets or one of their own products on their own site as part of the discussion?
(I've kept hammering the ON TOPIC thing because I think the moderators do a great job and am confident given this subject that they will continue to do so...)
How is it any different from someone's personal www button at the bottom of the page where perhaps they have listed a bunch of schematics? What if on their personal page they have a list of stuff that they're selling? Does this make them a commercial interest in your eyes? Where's the line?
I would like to cite the remote volume and switching circuit that was launched a couple of months ago. I thought the process that I saw take place was fantastic. They created a product based on the feedback received from the forum and as a result it's a very usable product. I view this as a GREAT thing because all of us now have access to something that otherwise may never have been created... Sure, it was a forum effort and they stand to make money from it. I honestly hope they do!!! They were willing to take a risk and try launching a new product. It still required them to do the lion's share of the work and they took all the risk. I think the input they received was huge help in refining the product and I believe that they will also share their input if someone else in interested in trying the same thing... I'm not at all jealous but would rather see them be a huge success!
I guess our views of the world are different. I don't believe in the "keep it all a big secret because somebody might steal it" concept.
My view is there is more than enough pie to go around for all. The notion of holding everything "close to the chest" to me is self defeating. In the long run, the customers will be better served by the designers being open. I will cite an current example of mine: I own a Sumo Andromeda II power amp. When Sumo closed down, all of the technical info and schematics went with them. They were one of the manufacturers who ground the part numbers off of all of the semiconductors in the unit. It currently has a blown channel. Now, I have a boat anchor because of this company policy. Now how much sense does that make? Who's interest was served here? Certainly not mine, and the company is long gone. Do you think it will affect my decision on whether or not to buy another James B. product? You bet it will....
Further, I now research new purchases whenever possible to see if the manufacturer removes part numbers. If they do, I walk away and don't ever look at their products again. I am actually glad when they go out of business because I feel they deserved it. Any company that tries to force a consumer to keep coming back because they are the only source for information and then charge brutal fees because they have a captive audience should be gone...
I would like to mention JCarr's posts as an example of why I think company links would be a very good idea. I honestly didn't connect who he was until I clicked one of the links that he included in one of his posts. All I knew was he seemed to always be a gentleman and seemed very knowledgeable. I definitely knew who Lyra was and connected the two after following the link. My reaction was one of amazement that we had another well respected designer on the site. This has actually happened to me several times because I'm not someone who keeps track of names. By having a link to their company it has opened the door for me to explore their products...
I also have no illusions regarding manufacturer participation on this forum. You can ABSOLUTELY bet that when contemplating new purchases, I will look at their products first and will buy from them if I am going to buy a commercial product (if the price is within range). I will do this for two primary reasons: First, as a thank you for enriching my knowledge and wanting to see them survive. Second, because in many cases reading their posts imparts a sense of "they really know what they're doing".
One other thing; not all of us are in the electronics business from a commercial standpoint. We don't have the same easy access to larger quantities of samples as some of you do. As a result, it is often difficult to acquire parts in small quantities. I have purchased from Steve @ Apex because I saw a post he made regarding technical info on some caps he had available in a capacitor discussion thread. As it turned out, I bought a case from him. That case quantity still cost me far less than if I had purchased them from any "standard" supplier. I wasn't pushed to his site but rather just searched and found a link that he had posted sometime much earlier in a different thread. I thought it was great because it allowed me to get my Aleph's one step closer and save a bit of money in the process... It also turned me on to a supplier that I would have never known about.
In closing, I don't want the in-your-face advertising that I see on other sites. On the other hand, I certainly don't object to it being very easy (perhaps with a link) for me to find out more about the individual and what they do whether commercial or not.
Just a my thoughts...
A vote for the Company and website being listed in your tag.
Actually nothing HAS to be done to accomplish this but the policy change to require all commercial audio people to list their affiliation. In recompense, they get to post their web site.
I'm sure members will have fun reminding the commercial folks
that they need to do this. If they don't comply then report them- but they will comply-why not?
The commercial guys are one of the strengths of this site.
The commercial person that pretty much triggered this thread, has always been kinda marginal in his helpfulness and is a bit defensive regarding his competition. I don't like his approach, but if he represents the worst, then we aren't in a very bad position
Actually nothing HAS to be done to accomplish this but the policy change to require all commercial audio people to list their affiliation. In recompense, they get to post their web site.
I'm sure members will have fun reminding the commercial folks
that they need to do this. If they don't comply then report them- but they will comply-why not?
The commercial guys are one of the strengths of this site.
The commercial person that pretty much triggered this thread, has always been kinda marginal in his helpfulness and is a bit defensive regarding his competition. I don't like his approach, but if he represents the worst, then we aren't in a very bad position
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